North Stand Construction Discussion

[Tim of the Oak]

That's true for all stands. Behind the goal side of the South stand lost 200 seats out of 1100 ish the majority were from the east stand side of the ground.

The advertising boards were put in for one reason and one reason only money. Nothing to do with seats bought or used.

Of course it’s been the same for all areas of the ground. I respect your opinion but I think it would have been very difficult to have removed those seats if the affected blocks were packed to the rafters every week.

 

[jrb]

Maybe not for this thread, but I did find Soriano's comments on profit interesting.

Amongst other reasons, this expalains the constant season ticket and matchday ticket price increases, and the numerous executive and hospitality areas that have been created all over the ground.

Where this leaves more affordable season tickets and matchdays tickets via a future North Stand expansion is anyone's guess, apart from Soriano & Co.

Soriano.

"I have three shareholders: one from the United Arab Emirates, one from the United States and one from China," he said.

"They are three investment funds that are looking for profitability and that we try to win and grow the business and make money.

"We are not a state club. We are a club owned by three shareholders."

 

[Corky]

Of course it’s been the same for all areas of the ground. I respect your opinion but I think it would have been very difficult to have removed those seats if the affected blocks were packed to the rafters every week.

Why would it be difficult?

They are the cheapest seats on the lower tier by far, and fans would have to buy more expensive ones.

The club isn't a democracy, and moving fans from seats to maximise income is a common theme.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Why would it be difficult?

They are the cheapest seats on the lower tier by far, and fans would have to buy more expensive ones.

The club isn't a democracy, and moving fans from seats to maximise income is a common theme.

It would have been newsworthy and fans would have had bigger grounds for objections. City would be on weak ground for lack of consultation etc.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Maybe not for this thread, but I did find Soriano's comments on profit interesting.

Amongst other reasons, this expalains the constant season ticket and matchday ticket price increases, and the numerous executive and hospitality areas that have been created all over the ground.

Where this leaves more affordable season tickets and matchdays tickets via a future North Stand expansion is anyone's guess, apart from Soriano & Co.

Soriano.

"I have three shareholders: one from the United Arab Emirates, one from the United States and one from China," he said.

"They are three investment funds that are looking for profitability and that we try to win and grow the business and make money.

"We are not a state club. We are a club owned by three shareholders."

It’s also a key defence against the sports washing shite.

 

[Centurions]

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not?

What exactly was the magazine that came with the shirt? Did anyone else get it?

And considering it was just a basic sketch, it did include a new roof and cable design, and a new specific Etihad capacity.

If the magazine was an official City magazine, it's interesting that the club would include that in it, rather than stopping at the current stadium sketch.

But yes, the long NS expansion conversation and waiting game goes on.(and on)

It looks like a Colin Bell tribute keepsake.

I can't actually see this new cable design you mention to be honest, the capacity has been arrived at by just adding the 8,000 that the South stand added? It wouldn't surprise me if it was just a copy of the 3 tier South stand. I have no doubt it will be built once the Arena is finished BTW.

 

[jrb]

That is never going to happen, but if we could replicate some of that with a proper North Stand home end, it would be great.

 

[Keeper!]

Maybe not for this thread, but I did find Soriano's comments on profit interesting.

Amongst other reasons, this expalains the constant season ticket and matchday ticket price increases, and the numerous executive and hospitality areas that have been created all over the ground.

Where this leaves more affordable season tickets and matchdays tickets via a future North Stand expansion is anyone's guess, apart from Soriano & Co.

Soriano.

"I have three shareholders: one from the United Arab Emirates, one from the United States and one from China," he said.

"They are three investment funds that are looking for profitability and that we try to win and grow the business and make money.

"We are not a state club. We are a club owned by three shareholders."

Not sure why your surprised to be honest.

Even the Sheik is not in this for the fun of it. It's a business investment and he wants returns. Silverlake/ The Chinese want that even more, we have to make profits if they are to stay with us.

The issue is as a club are we prioritising corporate before everyday fans? My answer uner Soriano is a big yes and that's a problem in my opinion.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Not sure why your surprised to be honest.

Even the Sheik is not in this for the fun of it. It's a business investment and he wants returns. Silverlake/ The Chinese want that even more, we have to make profits if they are to stay with us.

The issue is as a club are we prioritising corporate before everyday fans? My answer uner Soriano is a big yes and that's a problem in my opinion.

Here's me, all this time thinking we were just the Sheiks plaything.

 

[halfmist]

I have never really understood why there is seen to be a difference between a “real” fan a JCL., a plastic and a tourist.certainly the Club doesn’t otherwise the average age at away matches would be guys in their 60’s. Imagine how crap the atmosphere would be then. At the end of the day we are all just economic units. Loyalty to a great extent is all one way and I don’t really have a problem with that and as far as the Club sees it, if your not happy there is a big queue behind to take your place.

 

[Centurions]

I have never really understood why there is seen to be a difference between a “real” fan a JCL., a plastic and a tourist.certainly the Club doesn’t otherwise the average age at away matches would be guys in their 60’s. Imagine how crap the atmosphere would be then. At the end of the day we are all just economic units. Loyalty to a great extent is all one way and I don’t really have a problem with that and as far as the Club sees it, if your not happy there is a big queue behind to take your place.

I am not an economic unit, I am a free man!!!

 

[manclad]

I am not an economic unit, I am a free man!!!

Reminds me of the guy in "Falling Down" who was protesting with a large placard in his hand that stated -
"Not economically viable" !!!

 

[willipp]

Not sure why your surprised to be honest.

Even the Sheik is not in this for the fun of it. It's a business investment and he wants returns. Silverlake/ The Chinese want that even more, we have to make profits if they are to stay with us.

The issue is as a club are we prioritising corporate before everyday fans? My answer uner Soriano is a big yes and that's a problem in my opinion.

Surely the return comes when they ever decide to sell their shares in the club. If they increase capacity and profit, the club is more valuable and they get a shed load more cash back than they paid initially. They are never going make much profit year on year as we dont make much profit. When they sell a portion of their 20% shares of a 4/5 billion pound club, thats when they see their return.

 

[Keeper!]

Surely the return comes when they ever decide to sell their shares in the club. If they increase capacity and profit, the club is more valuable and they get a shed load more cash back than they paid initially. They are never going make much profit year on year as we dont make much profit. When they sell a portion of their 20% shares of a 4/5 billion pound club, thats when they see their return.

Obviously but all 3 have invested huge sums of money, their investment has grown considerably but it will have to continue to do so.

The North Stand and external redesign will cost 100s of millions, and with an incoming recession , will they be willing to invest those sort of sums at this time?

 

[spiny]

Surely the return comes when they ever decide to sell their shares in the club. If they increase capacity and profit, the club is more valuable and they get a shed load more cash back than they paid initially. They are never going make much profit year on year as we dont make much profit. When they sell a portion of their 20% shares of a 4/5 billion pound club, thats when they see their return.

The USA model is about borrowing money and servicing the debt whilst extracting money at a maximum return.

The Middle East oil states are cash rich so their model is to invest for the future through diversity and growth. They are looking 20+ years ahead whereas 5 years is considered a long time in Western investment capitalism. Any sales of shares are probably more to do with getting partners on board than a quick profit, although it must help in a business sense.

 

[Jazzyblue]

The USA model is about borrowing money and servicing the debt whilst extracting money at a maximum return.

The Middle East oil states are cash rich so their model is to invest for the future through diversity and growth. They are looking 20+ years ahead whereas 5 years is considered a long time in Western investment capitalism. Any sales of shares are probably more to do with getting partners on board than a quick profit, although it must help in a business sense.

Nail on head. Makes me laugh how anyone can claim that US ownership is somehow more virtuous. The return on United shares has been so poor that their shareholders get shafted along with their increasingly bitter fans. The big boys are laughing though of course. Sums up what's wrong with too many companies in the English-speaking world these days tbh. If Sheikh Mansour had never won us a trophy with his investment, he'd have still done us a massive favour keeping US cowboys and private equity types away from our club.

 

[halfmist]

Surely the return comes when they ever decide to sell their shares in the club. If they increase capacity and profit, the club is more valuable and they get a shed load more cash back than they paid initially. They are never going make much profit year on year as we dont make much profit. When they sell a portion of their 20% shares of a 4/5 billion pound club, thats when they see their return.

The big money is going to be made when you can buy a,sit at home Season Ticket, to watch every match live home and away from the comfort of your armchair . It will come in one day and if the market is word wide the returns for the Cub will be massive

 

[BlueAnorak]

It's bollocks, let's not watch the match, sing when prompted by some knob with a megaphone. Totally fake.

Very German though.

 

[jrb]

South Stand expansion.

A couple of nice aerial pictures of the Etihad. Sadly the 3rd picture is blurred for some reason and isn’t worth posting.

Brett Martin.

Marlon CS was chosen as the glazing option for the first phase of the expansion for the Etihad Stadium, Manchester City FC’s home ground.

Requirements. (possible similar requirements for a North Stand expansion?)

• Natural light transmission
• Easy installation
• Technical support

Clear Marlon CS allows for a high level of light transmission, an important requirement for football stadia as it not only provides a bright sheltered stand for spectators but promotes a healthy pitch without shadows, a must for televised matches.

The success for this product is shown through Etihad Stadium as almost 1500m² of Marlon CS already glazed the existing canopy, with a further 4,000m² of Clear 2mm Marlon CS chosen for the construction of a new third tier.

When used in Etihad Stadium, Marlon CS rooflights and side-lights provide light, bright stands where spectators are protected from the weather. This light weight sheet with impact resistance and exceptional spanning capabilities is ideal for installation in the metal structures favoured by stadia designers. Co-extruded UV protection cuts out 98% of harmful radiation reducing the effects of weathering and tinted options allow solar control.

Engineered for use in roof light and side-light applications, it has a 10 year light transmission and a 3 year weather breakage warranty due to its strength and impact resistant design.

Technical support was provided from design right through to installation. Since the stadium is an oval shape, each sheet of the polycarbonate had to be cut to fit exactly. By having the technical support alongside the assembly of the rooflights and side-lights, ensured no mistakes were made and allowed for a much easier installation process.

Marlon CS rooflights at Etihad Stadium

2mm Clear Marlon CS was chosen as the glazing option for the first phase of the expansion for the Etihad Stadium, Manchester.

www.brettmartin.com

 

[richards30]

With pep here, Haaland signing, our best squad ever and most successful period we will probably ever have now is the time to do the north stand! Expensive yes but everything the owner does is with a long term investment return anyway and let’s be fair, they have the money?!