North Stand Construction Discussion

[Kenny]

Vapour barrier down on the hotel roof. Insulation next and I assume a single ply membrane. Shouldn’t take long for that to be finished

 

[Alty_Blue]

I took a few pictures yesterday concentrating on the pedestrian bridge linking the hotel to the North stand.

Probably a daft question but why is the hotel constructed using concrete columns but the section connecting the hotel to the stand (and indeed the stand itself) made from steel? Surely it's easier to make the whole thing from steel?

 

[Gray]

Probably a daft question but why is the hotel constructed using concrete columns but the section connecting the hotel to the stand (and indeed the stand itself) made from steel? Surely it's easier to make the whole thing from steel?

Cost?

 

[Coatigan]

Probably a daft question but why is the hotel constructed using concrete columns but the section connecting the hotel to the stand (and indeed the stand itself) made from steel? Surely it's easier to make the whole thing from steel?

Very generally speaking, hotels are often easier in concrete than steel. Depending on shape/height/size, but particularly bigger ones. Large floorplate slabs, cores with a high number of lifts. Plus at this height the sizeable columns can be 'stretched' to be thin and long and be embedded in partitions (as indeed they are here) which makes it easier to have uniform rooms and not have to have to deal with boxing out projections and what would be deeper beams above. Makes it easier to run services along corridors than under/through beams. Also a bit better sound with sound in hotels. Steel is in theory cheaper, but something like this probably more of a faff on a hotel this size.

The office block could really probably have been either, but if I were to guess, the fact the big roof to the square bridges the two, more sense in both sides being the same in terms of movement. Plus, at this scale there is a likely benefit to programme and procurement to have multiple teams and builds simultaneously, and not risk over relying of quantities of one material. Just my guess.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Very generally speaking, hotels are often easier in concrete than steel. Depending on shape/height/size, but particularly bigger ones. Large floorplate slabs, cores with a high number of lifts. Plus at this height the sizeable columns can be 'stretched' to be thin and long and be embedded in partitions (as indeed they are here) which makes it easier to have uniform rooms and not have to have to deal with boxing out projections and what would be deeper beams above. Makes it easier to run services along corridors than under/through beams. Also a bit better sound with sound in hotels. Steel is in theory cheaper, but something like this probably more of a faff on a hotel this size.

The office block could really probably have been either, but if I were to guess, the fact the big roof to the square bridges the two, more sense in both sides being the same in terms of movement. Plus, at this scale there is a likely benefit to programme and procurement to have multiple teams and builds simultaneously, and not risk over relying of quantities of one material. Just my guess.

Your insights are fascinating to a layman like me. We really do have a good cohort of contributors to this thread.

 

[bladdered]

Andy Mallins Photography

 

[Centurions]

I took a few pictures yesterday concentrating on the pedestrian bridge linking the hotel to the North stand.

The only public connection between the commercial wing and the stadium seems to be the skinny pedestrian link bridge at L03 which takes you to and from the museum. The football experience floor above it looks like you access it through the museum. How many floors of the hotel have public access to the stadium?

 

[waspish]

The New York football stadium look great

 

[Penders1957]

The only public connection between the commercial wing and the stadium seems to be the skinny pedestrian link bridge at L03 which takes you to and from the museum. The football experience floor above it looks like you access it through the museum. How many floors of the hotel have public access to the stadium?

The only public connection between the commercial wing and the stadium seems to be the skinny pedestrian link bridge at L03 which takes you to and from the museum. The football experience floor above it looks like you access it through the museum. How many floors of the hotel have public access to the stadium?

As I understand it only the top level of the link , or bridge will have direct access to the 8 bedrooms under the sky bar , but I stand to be corrected

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Andy Mallins Photography

View attachment 144592

That second tier is fucking huge.

Might be only me that feels like this, but the difference between Saturday and West Ham which was a few weeks ago was huge. For some reason, it looked so much bigger. Perhaps that feeling was because of the second tower now being high? Did anyone else think the same on Saturday?

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

That second tier is fucking huge.

Might be only me that feels like this, but the difference between Saturday and West Ham which was a few weeks ago was huge. For some reason, it looked so much bigger. Perhaps that feeling was because of the second tower now being high? Did anyone else think the same on Saturday?

I enter via entrance B and commented it felt like the whole thing was closer, like right on top of us so you're probably right.

 

[julio jordio]

When does the roof get lifted/replaced? Will that be in the summer? I think we’ll really be able to appreciate the sheer scale at that point if we don’t already.

 

[Coatigan]

That second tier is fucking huge.

Might be only me that feels like this, but the difference between Saturday and West Ham which was a few weeks ago was huge. For some reason, it looked so much bigger. Perhaps that feeling was because of the second tower now being high? Did anyone else think the same on Saturday?

Think seeing it join up to the existing shows its true size.

Previously it was this disconnected bulk at the back, floating above the existing, just waiting to be wheeled into position. Now that it is a part of it you read it as one big stand. Which is how it should feel in reality hopefully.

 

[Coatigan]

The only public connection between the commercial wing and the stadium seems to be the skinny pedestrian link bridge at L03 which takes you to and from the museum. The football experience floor above it looks like you access it through the museum. How many floors of the hotel have public access to the stadium?

As I understand it only the top level of the link , or bridge will have direct access to the 8 bedrooms under the sky bar , but I stand to be corrected

What he said ^. Only the level 8 bit actually links up. The rest 'abuts' the stand. The sky bar above, there is no hotel at this point it is just roof.

The people in those end rooms on levels 3-7 might find it a bit of a tease, knowing the stand is just on the other side of their bedhead wall, but to get to it they have to go all the way along the corridor to the lifts, down to the entrance which is at the back, round the building, through the square, and back up to the stand practicly on the other side of the wall where they were earlier.

Re the office building, yeah just the 3rd level link. The levels between the stand and this one don't quite marry up, and even the link bridge connection itself has a set of steps and platform lift within it. So not sure there is much scope for future opening through. Remember, they changed it with a subsequent amendment and the 3rd floor is now retail rather than museum, so I imagine it will send tours through a club shop and open up for people to buy merchandise before the game etc.

 

[Centurions]

What he said ^. Only the level 8 bit actually links up. The rest 'abuts' the stand. The sky bar above, there is no hotel at this point it is just roof.

The people in those end rooms on levels 3-7 might find it a bit of a tease, knowing the stand is just on the other side of their bedhead wall, but to get to it they have to go all the way along the corridor to the lifts, down to the entrance which is at the back, round the building, through the square, and back up to the stand practicly on the other side of the wall where they were earlier.

Re the office building, yeah just the 3rd level link. The levels between the stand and this one don't quite marry up, and even the link bridge connection itself has a set of steps and platform lift within it. So not sure there is much scope for future opening through. Remember, they changed it with a subsequent amendment and the 3rd floor is now retail rather than museum, so I imagine it will send tours through a club shop and open up for people to buy merchandise before the game etc.

Ahh, yes. I was thrown by some of the plans showing doors between what's labeled as firefighting lobbies(?) and the hotel side. I must have missed the museum level being changed.

 

[mcfcblue20]

When does the roof get lifted/replaced? Will that be in the summer? I think we’ll really be able to appreciate the sheer scale at that point if we don’t already.

December when city play in club world cup abroad Maybe

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

December when city play in club world cup abroad Maybe

That’s in June, unless there’s another one?

 

[HelloCity]

When does the roof get lifted/replaced? Will that be in the summer? I think we’ll really be able to appreciate the sheer scale at that point if we don’t already.

The new roof will start going on in a month or two. They’ll take down the old roof in the summer. Near enough the same process as with the south stand.



They’ll have a crane on the pitch to pull down the original roof as above.

 

[IOWBlue]

As I understand it only the top level of the link , or bridge will have direct access to the 8 bedrooms under the sky bar , but I stand to be corrected

Can you go back to your room at half time, for a dump and a fag?

 

[Chappie]

Can you go back to your room at half time, for a dump and a fag?

In line with the current policy at the stadium , supporters will be allowed access to their hotel rooms from the 80 minute onwards.