North Stand Construction Discussion

Took a few screen grabs from CP Overviews latest great video.

As per, picture credit to CP Overview.

I've added a few headlines just to break the pictures up. You know what's going on.

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The circular viewing platform from a distance and close up.

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The floating 3rd tier.

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I'm assuming the roof support cables will have to be removed before the final piece of terracing on the floating 3rd tier can be craned into place?

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A superb shot by CP Overview of the Etihad Campus, the Collar site, the Etihad stadium, and the Coop Live Arena.

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Hopefully there will be many problems and many years before any new stadium gets built at the swamp, but it’s worrying the amount of support they are getting from Burnham and and Reeves at the early stages.
You could say it’s worrying or you could say it’s indicative of the freight operators showing an inclination to stay put and that’s why there’s this coordinated effort. It’s only 3 years since Burnham opened the upgraded Euro terminal at TP.
 
There is a lot of space allocated to away fan parking which I don't think is used. I don't think that the Manchester Council planning committee would consent to any increase in car park numbers, but they might consent to re-allocation of car parking from away to home fans. Would that work?
 
You could also move / add merchandise / food outlets to under the bridge. That has very high footfall and that space is not used at the moment.
 
Hotel football (owned by Neville) is loss-making. From City am in Oct 2024, "The hotel, which is located in the shadow of Manchester United’s Old Trafford stadium, has reported a pre-tax loss of £601,030 for 2023 after also making a loss of £630,158 in 2022."

The advantage City may have is that the hotel won't be so reliant on the football match calendar. Hotel Football (133 rooms) is much smaller than City's hotel (400). Hotel Football revenue is c.£8m.
 
I covered this in a past post

Plans do exist to expand E & W stands 'back & up' to enclose the spirals and create a bowl with a capacity of 85000.

Large 'concourse' areas will be created for corporate suites and lounges.

The expansion can be constructed without long term closure of the existing stands.
They don't need to enclose the spirals, to extend back and up. they just need to remove and replace the entire roof on either side. 'Just'.
 
You've talked previously about plans for a new stadium on the CFA site so I presume that this is kind of a backup plan. Where MCFC go in stadium terms after the current expansion is a topic that really interests me. You'd be very welcome to share anything you know, including as to which plan is preferred.

I'm happy to take the above and your other posts on trust as I lack the insider knowledge or contacts to verify it. I once had both and as a result know that, in the immediate post-takeover period, there were serious suggestions of a new stadium being built on either what's now the CFA site or on the North Car Parks.

In the interests of preserving a positive relationship with Manchester City Council, the new stadium idea was ditched in fairly short order after the takeover, or at least deferred for what, if it's revived, will be a generation at a minimum. In the meantime, a plan to expand the current stadium was devised in 2009 or so, with all stands having their capacity increased and with the overall figure being somewhere in the 80,000 ballpark.

Presumably all plans, whether for a new stadium or an additionally expanded version of the current one, have evolved in the last 15 years so an updated version of the first plan for CoMS (as it then was) is what you're referring to in the quoted post. As the Mail reported in 2010, the intention back then was to complete the project before the 2018 World Cup as long as England's bid for the right to host it was successful. The idea was that our stadium would be chosen ahead of the decaying Old Trafford to join Wembley as the venue for one of the competition's semi-finals.

When the tournament wasn't awarded to England and the opportunity was lost to showcase the transformative effect of our ownership in a fixture of such vast global interest, the expansion timetable changed and we'll still be only halfway through the plans come 2026. In my opinion, we'll finally be beginning work on the Collar Site at that point. I know nothing about the practicalities of construction, but if the East Stand is to be expanded at some stage, wouldn't it make sense for that to be done in parallel with work on the Collar Site?

Whether my Collar Site aspiration proves realistic is yet to be seen (I've been wrong about this before), but whatever happens with that potential development I think there are interesting questions as to how City respond to the planned expansion of the Swamp or the construction of a new United stadium on land adjacent to it.

Knowledgeable observers agree that both Sheikh Mansour and Silver Lake have both invested to receive a return and vanity basically plays no role in their thinking. Sportswashing, moreover, is a nonsense concept invented for marketing purposes by NGOs acting in their own self-interest. Nonetheless, City are to some degree used as an instrument of Abu Dhabi soft power. Is that interest really served by our out-of-town rivals stealing a march on us?

It may be that, after the North Stand is developed, there's no major stadium work on the Campus for a considerable time. On the other hand, history suggests that changes will be required at some point. I hope that a debate may result on the Campus thread about what those (and any knock-on effects for the Campus as a whole) might be and when they might occur.

EDIT - I've removed from my post the statements about me intending to post about the above to initiate a discussion on the 'Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread'. I won't be doing so, in fact, because I've just discovered that the thread has been locked. I don't think it worth starting a new thread for the discussion so this one will have to do even if it's not really the same topic, IMO.

There is a recurring issue with the use of language in the posts, and what it implies. There will have been options looked at for a variety of undertakings. That doesn't mean 'plans exist', in the oven-ready way it is described.

That level of undertaking doesn't get done without the public knowing about it or get kept in a drawer somewhere that a select few can see and describe. Just fwiw.
 
If there were any prospects of a new stadium within the next 25-30 years, there is no way the owners would be investing so much on the existing stadium. So it may be of interest to the younger fans, but those of us in St Peter’s Close just want to live long enough to see the new development completed.
 
Hopefully the hotel, eateries and arena etc can be the inspiration for that land to be tidied up a bit…

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As you say.

City could do a monthly pop up market along the length of the bridge walkway. That would attract fans, locals, and tourists. People going to the match could buy the items after the match, after seeing them before the match.

There are more ways City can drive match day revenue that they aren’t currently doing, and in doing so, attract more people to the Etihad Campus.
 
They don't need to enclose the spirals, to extend back and up. they just need to remove and replace the entire roof on either side. 'Just'.
I always thought that was the plan (New Roof) lots of stories, maybe urban myths (?) that the original roof had a fairly limited life.
 
Hotel football (owned by Neville) is loss-making. From City am in Oct 2024, "The hotel, which is located in the shadow of Manchester United’s Old Trafford stadium, has reported a pre-tax loss of £601,030 for 2023 after also making a loss of £630,158 in 2022."

The advantage City may have is that the hotel won't be so reliant on the football match calendar. Hotel Football (133 rooms) is much smaller than City's hotel (400). Hotel Football revenue is c.£8m.

Match days and the Coop Live Arena pretty much guarantee City will make a healthy profit from the hotel, as well added conferences, events, etc. Hotel Football only has football, conferences and events at OT.

Slightly off topic. This should be in the Burnham thread.

I wonder if Neville, Jim, and Burnham have discussed Hotel Football and its future alongside a new United stadium? If it’s making an annual loss, Neville maybe tempted to get rid of it on acceptable terms?

Back to topic.
 
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The views from the viewing platform are going to spectacular, especially in the Summer months. Manchester has never had a genuine viewing platform, bar Cloud23 at the Hilton Hotel, and 20 Stories at No1 Spinningfields. I’d recommend both. All you need to do is to buy a drink at each bar to see the superb views.
 
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Match days and the Coop Live Arena pretty much guarantee City will make a healthy profit from the hotel, as well added conferences, events, etc. Hotel Football only has football, conferences and events at OT.

Slightly off topic. This should be in the Burnham thread.

I wonder if Neville, Jim, and Burnham have discussed hotel football and its future alongside a new United stadium? If it’s making an annual loss, Neville maybe tempted to get rid of it on acceptable terms?

Back to topic.
I thought I’d ready on here that gobshite Neville was funded in the hotel by Peter Lim , but stand to be corrected ??

Dave
 
I always thought that was the plan (New Roof) lots of stories, maybe urban myths (?) that the original roof had a fairly limited life.
the roof is starting to look a bit shabby and if replaced could transform the look of the stadium. If keeping in line with the other developments it'll probably be covered in PV panels
 
I thought I’d ready on here that gobshite Neville was funded in the hotel by Peter Lim , but stand to be corrected ??

Dave

He did.

Peter Lim also invested in St Michael’s in the city centre at the start of the proposal.

The deal will see Rowsley invest £40m for a 75 per cent stake in the St Michael's mixed-use development project. The £200m St Michael's project will comprise a five-star hotel, luxury apartments, prime office space as well as restaurants and bars on a 0.58ha site.

KKR Investments is funding the actual build.

The US Investor has formed a joint venture with Neville-owned company Relentless to deliver the much-anticipated Manchester city centre mixed-use scheme. The joint venture is KKR’s first real estate investment in Manchester.

PS. The office space is fully let. All the apartments have been sold. And a hotel operator is secured. TBF, it’s a fantastic and really successful development.
 
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The views from the viewing platform are going to spectacular, especially in the Summer months. Manchester has never had a genuine viewing platform, bar Cloud23 at the Hilton Hotel, and 20 Stories at No1 Spinningfields. I’d recommend both. All you need to do is to buy at each bar to see the superb views.
I would say it will be a huge money making attraction.

Fantastic idea to incorporate it into the new stand.

Is it true you have offered to be the first to test it?
 
There is a recurring issue with the use of language in the posts, and what it implies. There will have been options looked at for a variety of undertakings. That doesn't mean 'plans exist', in the oven-ready way it is described.

That level of undertaking doesn't get done without the public knowing about it or get kept in a drawer somewhere that a select few can see and describe. Just fwiw.
Really ??
 
I would say it will be a huge money making attraction.

Fantastic idea to incorporate it into the new stand.

Is it true you have offered to be the first to test it?

Yes! ;-)


No, I’m only joking. :-(

I will go on it once it’s opened to the public.
 
There is a recurring issue with the use of language in the posts, and what it implies. There will have been options looked at for a variety of undertakings. That doesn't mean 'plans exist', in the oven-ready way it is described.

That level of undertaking doesn't get done without the public knowing about it or get kept in a drawer somewhere that a select few can see and describe. Just fwiw.
Oven-ready.

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