North Stand Construction Discussion

[Coatigan]

Its that bad, I can't believe it hasn't been pulled already. The fact its continuing like that makes me think they wont alter it. Sisk love an NCR...

It has the potential to get quite messy. Logistically, rather than physically, if the club were to raise it as an issue.

The team have commited to a certain design look, but have picked a brick that naturally clashes with that. The specification is a bit of a screen sisk can step behind. But then on the other hand, they Were approved on the basis they would be large format factory made precast panels. Which would have at least partially avoided these issues. And if sisk were the ones that changed that, then it kinda falls back on them.

The irony is, a few here pointed this out when the mock-up first appeared, ages and ages ago. I said a couple times I also expected the angled piers to the square as approved to get flattened, once they pivoted from the precast. Been waiting to see how that plays out, and if an amendment comes in. They might surprise me and stick with it, but it just seems a bit ropey to try build them manually. If they are struggling with it at regular walls and 90deg turns, what chance do they have at the front with sharp irregular angles. They'd almost be better off binning that idea and changing the planning approval, rather than forcing too much at it and it all ending up a mess. Imho.

 

[bluesmith]

It has the potential to get quite messy. Logistically, rather than physically, if the club were to raise it as an issue.

The team have commited to a certain design look, but have picked a brick that naturally clashes with that. The specification is a bit of a screen sisk can step behind. But then on the other hand, they Were approved on the basis they would be large format factory made precast panels. Which would have at least partially avoided these issues. And if sisk were the ones that changed that, then it kinda falls back on them.

The irony is, a few here pointed this out when the mock-up first appeared, ages and ages ago. I said a couple times I also expected the angled piers to the square as approved to now get flattened, once they pivoted from the precast. Been waiting to see how that plays out, and if an amendment comes in. They might surprise me and stick with it, but it just seems a bit ropey to try build them manually. If they are struggling with it at regular walls and 90deg turns, what chance do they have at the front with sharp irregular angles. They'd almost be better off binning that idea, changong the approval, rather than forcing too much at it and it all ending up a mess. Imho.

Yes, i dont sit in many meetings where this would be discussed, the ones I do the trades are being kept tight to spec, and NCR issued when anything is ambiguous. Sisk are very very professional, you'll know yourself even among similar tier Contractors you'll get different level of experience, skill and management and decisions and focus are made primarily on the senior managers own biases. Sisk have some savvy people who are focusing on the right things, the clients professional team are the same. If the bricks were to be pulled i think it would have been done already.

For the layman its really critical as a protection mechanism to make sure you have the correct people and issue timely notices. My last project had a weak M&E manager working for the MC who didnt support the M&E team and rather tried to find delay in their work, when it was clear the delays were elsewhere, the senior manager worked for the facade company previously and accepted anything they did, it cost the job months, and millions. They had no recourse to the facade SC as they hadn't followed the notification required. They went for the other subs but they all had their ducks in a row.

 

[Penders1957]

Not sure it will tbh.

I do feel for the brickies somewhat. A poor choice of brick for projections and detailing of that sort. That's not entirely on them.

I see another “wonky roof” coming on ! Look at all the comments on that and it turned out looking good ! ??? At least let them take down the scaffold first so we can actually see the brickwork , its common practice to chemical / power wash the bricks after completion , so please wait till that’s done ,and if it’s poor we can then complain !

 

[Gordyola]

The design brief was brickwork that acknowledges Manchester industrial heritage IMHO opinion its at odds with the rest of the buildings which are clean modern materials

 

[jrb]

I honestly don’t know why City and Populous went with brick.

Even given the reason in the PA.(above)

A City blue coloured cladding would have tied in with the Stadium much better.

Or even more grey.(perish the thought)

There are so many different types and effects of cladding that could have used for the base of the hotel at street level rather than brick.

As a rule I do like brick.

 

[jrb]

Yesterday.

 

[nmc]

I honestly don’t know why City and Populous went with brick.

Even given the reason in the PA.(above)

A City blue coloured cladding would have tied in with the Stadium much better.

Or even more grey.(perish the thought)

There are so many different types and effects of cladding that could have used for the base of the hotel at street level rather than brick.

As a rule I do like brick.

The blue brick as used on the academy stadium would have looked better.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It has the potential to get quite messy. Logistically, rather than physically, if the club were to raise it as an issue.

The team have commited to a certain design look, but have picked a brick that naturally clashes with that. The specification is a bit of a screen sisk can step behind. But then on the other hand, they Were approved on the basis they would be large format factory made precast panels. Which would have at least partially avoided these issues. And if sisk were the ones that changed that, then it kinda falls back on them.

The irony is, a few here pointed this out when the mock-up first appeared, ages and ages ago. I said a couple times I also expected the angled piers to the square as approved to get flattened, once they pivoted from the precast. Been waiting to see how that plays out, and if an amendment comes in. They might surprise me and stick with it, but it just seems a bit ropey to try build them manually. If they are struggling with it at regular walls and 90deg turns, what chance do they have at the front with sharp irregular angles. They'd almost be better off binning that idea and changing the planning approval, rather than forcing too much at it and it all ending up a mess. Imho.

Just render it or bite the bullet and clad it!

 

[ssskies]

Just back from the Etihad, video here

 

[Saddleworth2]

Just render it or bite the bullet and clad it!

Pebble Dash is nice.

 

[jrb]

A bit of ding/damage on the front of the cladding panel about 3/4’s of the way down.

Not visible from ground level.

Picture credit SS Skies.

 

[Saddleworth2]

It has the potential to get quite messy. Logistically, rather than physically, if the club were to raise it as an issue.

The team have commited to a certain design look, but have picked a brick that naturally clashes with that. The specification is a bit of a screen sisk can step behind. But then on the other hand, they Were approved on the basis they would be large format factory made precast panels. Which would have at least partially avoided these issues. And if sisk were the ones that changed that, then it kinda falls back on them.

The irony is, a few here pointed this out when the mock-up first appeared, ages and ages ago. I said a couple times I also expected the angled piers to the square as approved to get flattened, once they pivoted from the precast. Been waiting to see how that plays out, and if an amendment comes in. They might surprise me and stick with it, but it just seems a bit ropey to try build them manually. If they are struggling with it at regular walls and 90deg turns, what chance do they have at the front with sharp irregular angles. They'd almost be better off binning that idea and changing the planning approval, rather than forcing too much at it and it all ending up a mess. Imho.

Not knowing what the spec was it’s difficult to comment in detail. If it called for a ‘proud’ brick layer in every three then that isn’t what we have. It looks like that from my photo but in every proud row there are bricks that are recessed. I don’t know the correct bricklaying terms so I hope that made some sense.
Maybe when the scaffolding comes off it will look less bad. Not easy to see how they would sort it.

 

[Delboy352]

Done well to get them up since CP’s last video!

Fair enough, but while the screens aren’t there yet, the size of the backings look vastly different…

 

[Centurions]

Not knowing what the spec was it’s difficult to comment in detail. If it called for a ‘proud’ brick layer in every three then that isn’t what we have. It looks like that from my photo but in every proud row there are bricks that are recessed. I don’t know the correct bricklaying terms so I hope that made some sense.
Maybe when the scaffolding comes off it will look less bad. Not easy to see how they would sort it.

A sledgehammer would do it.

I'm usually of the wait and see thinking, but even I can't imagine how that's going to look any better than it does. Very odd.

 

[city2]

Took this outside entrance B today. That bricklaying is an ironic joke isn’t it? Surely no tradesman can do that on purpose.

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Maybe the brickies had been to the pub and had a few then remembered they had to finish before 5.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Pebble Dash is nice.

I was thinking horses hair?

 

[Gordyola]

I honestly don’t know why City and Populous went with brick.

Even given the reason in the PA.(above)

A City blue coloured cladding would have tied in with the Stadium much better.

Or even more grey.(perish the thought)

There are so many different types and effects of cladding that could have used for the base of the hotel at street level rather than brick.

As a rule I do like

Just the type of brick and the method of application which makes it look shite maybe the final finish will be ok we will have to wait and see

 

[Coatigan]

I see another “wonky roof” coming on ! Look at all the comments on that and it turned out looking good ! ??? At least let them take down the scaffold first so we can actually see the brickwork , its common practice to chemical / power wash the bricks after completion , so please wait till that’s done ,and if it’s poor we can then complain !

I really don't get why people are so sensitive and defensive. People pointing out the roof was wonky were right at the time, and most if not all also noted they didn't expect it to end up like that when finished. The brick is somewhat different, it won't magically straighten out. But yeah, once the scaffolding is down, the mortar dries to its natural colour and the whole thing is washed down, it will look better. But there is alao a good chance the messy areas will be far more obvious at that point. At the end of the day people are sharing their observarions.

The design brief was brickwork that acknowledges Manchester industrial heritage IMHO opinion its at odds with the rest of the buildings which are clean modern materials
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Agree, that was pretty much my point earlier. The brick choice is somewhat incongruous to the look and detailing they have gone for. Genuinely interested in what happens to the angled piers. One to watch as the drones cover it.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I really don't get why people are so sensitive and defensive. People pointing out the roof was wonky were right at the time, and most if not all also noted they didn't expect it to end up like that. The brick is somewhat diffeent, it won't magically straighten out. But yeah, once the scaffolding is down, the mortar dries to its natural colour and the whole thing is washed down, it will look better. But there is alao a good chance the messy areas will be far more obvious at that point. At the end of the day people are sharing their observarions.



Agree, that was pretty much my point earlier. The brick choice is somewhat incongruous to the look and detailing they have gone for. Genuinely interested in what happens to the angled piers. One to watch as the drones cover it.

Maybe they are simply building in an antiqued look reflecting Manchesters heritage and decades of weathering.

 

[Coatigan]

Maybe they are simply building in an antiqued look reflecting Manchesters heritage and decades of weathering.

Sure, but then the corbelling, piers, angles etc are at odds. A bit too much thrown at it imo.