Now Kia is having a go at Mancini

[M18CTID]

Whilst I don't like him at all, the one thing Kia is right about is that most top managers keep things in house.

In the example given using Fabregas and Nasri, didn't Wenger not "keep it in house" by saying that they were going nowhere 20 minutes before the taxis arrived?

Wenger had his players sold from underneath him. there can be no comparison to what Tevez did...and either way. Who's in charge Mancini or Tevez and his shitbag of an advisor?

If I'd been Mancini I'd have dragged the little **** off the bench by his throat.

What would you rather he do when asked why Tevez hadn't come on and what the row that Shreeves watched and reported? "Carlows felt a leetle unwell"...bollocks, call the fucker out for his disgraceful behaviour.

Agreed. The Idea that Mancini has somehow been weakened, or lost some credibility in this is ridiculous. Virtually all pundits, ex players, the media in general are behind him, even Ferguson and numerous other managers, we would normally consider 'Enemies.' To suggest that he somehow try to disguise what was an acceptable reaction to disraceful behaviour in the hope that it may pacify media scrutiny in the future is also ridiculous, in my opinion.
We signed the little shit, plus others of the same ilk because we needed good footballers quickly, and our owners are not wet behind the ears amateurs, they were fully aware of the ballache Tevez creates wherever he goes, but a glance at the Premier league table shows you take the rough with the smooth.
Our world profile has been enhanced, we are the talk of football, and I for one have not heard much anti Mancini talk so far.

Most of the usual media suspects that can't wait to stick the knife in have sided with Mancini over this. I was astonished to even see that wanker Michael Calvin give him some credit at the weekend.

 

[mancity1]

Yes it was, but noone knew what was really going on. It's not just the admitting of it that's the problem, it's the statement that he'll never play for us again which gives the club no room for maneuvre.

And if you think this has strengthened Mancini's position you're deluded. What do you think Abu Dhabi think about this? It's another fallout, another ton of cash wasted on a player the manager can't get on with. It's further evidence of a disunited squad and further bad publicity for Manchester City, this time on a world level.

If we keep winning he's bombproof, but he leaves himself wide open if the results start to go tits up if you ask me.

It's worth remembering the squad worship Tevez too.

Wheres the evidence that the squad worship tevez dave? Why should cunts like him be given more holidays than other team mates and turn up for pre-season later than everybody else for the past three seasons?

Mancini has tried in his own words to accomodate him for the past two seasons-its not worked,with a player yet again he didnt sign.

Theres only one person who has shamed the people in Abu Dhabi and its Tevez.

Richards in today's Guardian interview. Bellamy when he did the summarising on ESPN of our Fulham away game. It's obvious the squad respect him immensely. That's not to say they don't want him gone after he's reiterated his desire to leave.

Look, I'm not defending Tevez. I'm questioning the manager going public that he'll never play for City again. It was a daft decision, nothing will dissauade me of that fact.

He had to say his future would now be the discussion of talks between himself and the board but I for one agree with you DD that his words he was finished while he was manager would have been better said to the board in private.

The press don't deserve such a "good line" from a manager who has until now met the targets set for him and manager of the world's richest club.

I understand the need to make a stand and we all know Tevez is finished and if this didn't happen he would have been off in January which is what I believe will happen anyway but you can make it in more diplomatic ways.

 

[moomba]

As for his value dropping, it was going to happen from the second he refused to come on.

Simple fact, if we had said nothing there still would have been a lot of talk, and rumours about his actions. The BBC link before, and the Sky replay shows that before Mancini said a word that it was publicly known that things were up. And by not saying anything one way or the other it may well have been a distraction for the club leading into January.

Now, even if everything was miraculously hushed up we would either have to include him in the squad again, or explain why he wasn't playing any more. If we put him back in the squad it would send a message to all of our players that they are bigger than the club. If we don't eventually someone is going to want to know why a fully fit Tevez can't make the playing squad, so the story comes out anyway.

His value has dropped, as a result of his actions and no other reason.

 

[The game 161]

As always looking for excuses

 

[cleavers]

As for his value dropping, it was going to happen from the second he refused to come on.

People are ignoring the fact his value to any european side dropped when he was interviewed in Argentina, and said he would return to South America in 2 years time, or retire. That was last winter, from then on his value was considerably diminished because there would be no resale value to whoever bought him. I'm sure there were clubs in for him in the summer, but they would be derisory offers, or loan deals. I don't think the Munich saga has made much more than a further dent in his value.

 

[mancity1]

Wheres the evidence that the squad worship tevez dave? Why should cunts like him be given more holidays than other team mates and turn up for pre-season later than everybody else for the past three seasons?

Mancini has tried in his own words to accomodate him for the past two seasons-its not worked,with a player yet again he didnt sign.

Theres only one person who has shamed the people in Abu Dhabi and its Tevez.

Richards in today's Guardian interview. Bellamy when he did the summarising on ESPN of our Fulham away game. It's obvious the squad respect him immensely. That's not to say they don't want him gone after he's reiterated his desire to leave.

Look, I'm not defending Tevez. I'm questioning the manager going public that he'll never play for City again. It was a daft decision, nothing will dissauade me of that fact.

Certain Richards has already said he was immense LAST season but has got it wrong in what hes done.

Bellamy,well Bellamy is in the same mould as Tevez,hes also caused shit at every club hes been at.

I wonder? Has Bellamy's mum ever stopped on holiday in Buenos Aeries?

-- Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:50 pm --

Maybe with have diminished his re-sale value maybe we are being dragged through the mire again.

But we needed to make a stand, Mancini is the boss simple as, and the players need to understand that and take his decisions on the chin. If they dont like it they should speak with him in private and voice their concerns.

I am a Dzeko fan but was disgusted in the way he reacted in Munich and this I believe encouraged Tevez to act up.

As Mancini said "this is the last time someone does this" it is not acceptable in any job.

Mancini has had enough of petulance and has acted to stamp this out.

I believe City will be more professional from now on and it will be a long time before we see anything like this happening again at our club (Apart from Balotelli ;0)

Totally agree,in fact i'd go as far to say its a tipping point (you listening Fbloke!) in the way players perceive MCFC,including the players already at the club.

The club has always had the goal and as a big priority that it wants two players of equal stature and talent and ability and skill etc in every position at the very least.

This means every week you will hopefully have at least eleven disappointed players.

How they react and what they do to change that is a measure of their character and how much respect they truly get and deserve by the club , the hierarchy and supporters alike.

I am grateful for what Tevez has done while on the pitch and have enjoyed the good moments we have enjoyed as a result of his on field exploits but I have no respect for him as a person and never will and that respect was lost a long time before he carried on like a spoilt little brat last Tuesday.

 

[Prodigal Son]

I am grateful for what Tevez has done while on the pitch and have enjoyed the good moments we have enjoyed as a result of his on field exploits but I have no respect for him as a person and never will and that respect was lost a long time before he carried on like a spoilt little brat last Tuesday.

As above. I would have loved him to stay and bang in 25 more goals but it was not to be, and 99% of this was down to him.

We may not have bought Kun if we could have trusted him to just shush and play. We did because we couldn't, and once we had his opportunities to play were gonna be far less so short of us re-signing Gareth Taylor and Fat Bob.

 

[mancity1]

As for his value dropping, it was going to happen from the second he refused to come on.

Simple fact, if we had said nothing there still would have been a lot of talk, and rumours about his actions. The BBC link before, and the Sky replay shows that before Mancini said a word that it was publicly known that things were up. And by not saying anything one way or the other it may well have been a distraction for the club leading into January.

Now, even if everything was miraculously hushed up we would either have to include him in the squad again, or explain why he wasn't playing any more. If we put him back in the squad it would send a message to all of our players that they are bigger than the club. If we don't eventually someone is going to want to know why a fully fit Tevez can't make the playing squad, so the story comes out anyway.

His value has dropped, as a result of his actions and no other reason.

His value dropped long before Tuesdays antics Moomba and I think we all know that had Mancini not said what he did say to the press we would still have suspended him and taken the course of action we have.

There was never going to be an attempt to hide what we all know happened as I have said before it would have been better IMO for RM to choose his words a little less dramatically that is all.

It would defy all commonsense if we allow him to return to the squad irrespective of what RM has said must happen while he is in charge.

He was going in January come hell or high water its just that because of his me before the club attitude he has weakened our position financially and at the same time weakened his own financial position as well.

As I said earlier I have it on very good authority that Fergie was not bending over backwards to ensure he stayed at Manure and he made it fairly clear to Manure he wanted out in anycase.

The Manure spin doctors were quite happy when we made our move for him and so was Kia.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Some people think the saddest posters on here are rags masquerading as blues. I disagree.

The saddest posters on here are the pathologically negative blues who are suffering withdrawal symptoms from the stench of defeat that used to stalk this club. They might not admit it to themselves even, but for some reason there's something about that bitter taste of failure that they miss.

Like an alcoholic who knows that his next drink might kill him, they know they should be enjoying our new found status but they cannot help themselves. And dragging everyone down with them into their world of misery seems to make them even more fulfilled. Perhaps it makes them feel better about themselves.

In their quiet lonely moments they must lie awake at night and rue the day that Sheikh Mansour walked into our lives.

Oh they will protest and say what 'big blues' they are, but in their heart of hearts the club doesn't feel right to them. Not like it used to. It's moved on and they don't really belong anymore.

I feel sorry for them.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

As I said earlier I have it on very good authority that Fergie was not bending over backwards to ensure he stayed at Manure and he made it fairly clear to Manure he wanted out in anycase.

That was obvious, but I suspect that was financial as much as anything. I suspect Ferguson thought Rooney was a better player for the dosh, and it was hard to paly them together.

The after the event posturing about him being made an offer would have been to appease the fans.