NYCFC Live Announcement

[Tricky_Trev]

We could potentially buy or create a club in South America, Africa, Japan/Australia and the Middle East without competition.

Maybe we could legally wrangle it like Udinese do to own more than one in Europe?

But they could meet in the FIFA World Club Cup!

 

[adrianr]

I will say one thing after watching all that. Soriano kept going about about "The City Football Group" being the parent of both City and NYCFC.

I think they're creating a global brand which they'll localise at different Clubs around the world. City will be the English side of the City Football Group. NYCFC will be the American side of the City Football Group. It wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years we had 10 different clubs under that umbrella, all playing in the blue and white and all sharing data/technologies with each other.

As long as we remain the most important one ;)

 

[BLUE PEANUT]

We could potentially buy or create a club in South America, Africa, Japan/Australia and the Middle East without competition.

Maybe we could legally wrangle it like Udinese do to own more than one in Europe?

But they could meet in the FIFA World Club Cup!

I'd love for it to get to that point whereby we need to worry about it !

 

[Instant_Offense]

Will we become a feeder club for NYCFC?

MLS is probably in par with Championship/SPL level, maybe a little better than that at this point and rising. It wouldn't be a bad option if that's what it becomes.

I'd disagree - its not on a level with the Championship. Been to several games live and the standard really is quite poor. Took me aback actually - its really noticeable. Some cracking atmospheres though, particularly at the Sounders.

I actually think the championship comparison is apt. Minus a couple of squads in each league the quality is quite poor. MLS won't challenge the elite football leagues anytime soon, if ever, but I think shooting for Dutch/Portuguese level in a decade is reasonable.

 

[MillionDollarDream]

I will say one thing after watching all that. Soriano kept going about about "The City Football Group" being the parent of both City and NYCFC.

I think they're creating a global brand which they'll localise at different Clubs around the world. City will be the English side of the City Football Group. NYCFC will be the American side of the City Football Group. It wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years we had 10 different clubs under that umbrella, all playing in the blue and white and all sharing data/technologies with each other.

It will be fascinating to see how it plays out but surely we can't own teams that may end up playing against each other ? Which means no more clubs in the Americas or Europe. Perhaps the Middle East and the Far East but beyond that, where else could you do it ?

Plus I'm not sure you could re-brand an existing club and there aren't many countries like the US where you can just create a new team from scratch that plays in the top flight of that respective country

Don't forget however the women's soccer in the US is huge, much bigger than in Europe. We've seen big investment in the last few months into our local ladies team - one assumes doing that with NYCFC will be on the agenda

Women's soccer isn't huge in the US, the National Team is huge because they are pretty dominate for the most part. They've tried a couple of times to start a women's domestic league and it just doesn't catch on as most women's pro sports in america unfortunately. The Womens Pro Soccer league was created in 2007, folded in 2012. The National Women's Soccer League was just created in it's place and their games are broadcasted on YouTube......

 

[Instant_Offense]

3 designated players?

I'll go for Ronaldinho, SWP and Demichelis at the end of his contract here.

In order to properly take over the city NYCFC will certainly sign big name players. Most interesting sub-plot for me.

 

[mad zab]

It would be nice to see them sign Lescott and Barry as 2 of the 3 designated players.

Both out of contract in the summer and the lure of playing in the US may be enough to convince them to sign.

 

[SebastianBlue]

It would be nice to see them sign Lescott and Barry as 2 of the 3 designated players.

Both out of contract in the summer and the lure of playing in the US may be enough to convince them to sign.

That is feasible but they'd have to make the third a high profile attacking player in order to establish the club with the US media and NYC supporters.

Perhaps if he doesn't move in this window Berbatov would go there? He'd still be lazy but would probably dominate MLS defenders.

 

[Falastur]

Surely there is some great potential FFP benefit here ?

If NYCFC are going to use our scouting network MCFC can we bill them a fee for same ? Likewise a salary split/contribution/management charge for those individuals with dual roles like Marwood, Txiki, etc would mean a lessening of the impact of their salaries on our FFP related spending

If NYCFC players come over to use our medical or training facilities we could do the same and then if we go there for exhibition games, we can charge them a fee. Players going on loan to NYCFC - we can then charge a loan fee for the privilege

I'm sure it's not one the principle reason for NYCFC which I recognise is part of a much bigger picture and I acknowledge UEFA can arbitrarily decide how much of any monies paid by NYCFC to MCFC will qualify for FFP purposes, but there must be some potential benefit here

There are a couple of ways this could work - although, as I've commented a number of times before, I'm far from convinced that our board agrees with the majority of posters on Bluemoon that the best way to approach FFPR is to find ways of cheating at it - but several of your points I'm not sure would work very well.

For example, having board members be technically employed by both clubs for a split salary would I guess in practice be entirely legitimate, although it feels a bit petty. I doubt that would save the club more than maybe £1-2m. We also could charge NYCFC for friendlies, but as you say, UEFA's auditors would nerf the heck out of any attempt to abuse that. Similarly, I don't think charging a fee to use medical facilities is a practical idea, I mean that must be worth, what? £1,000 a time tops? We'd be spending more on the travel costs to bring them to Manchester than we'd make back in elevated revenues.

On the other side, loaning to the MLS is very dangerous, because of the way MLS works, with the players owned by the league, not the clubs. It has happened before that an MLS club has agreed a deal to loan a player from Europe, contacted MLS to make the trade, and then the MLS has invited bids for the player's signature and the club which had negotiated the loan lost the bid and got to watch their loanee sign for a rival team instead. That wasn't MLS screwing over a club for the heck of it, that was MLS following their own rules on loaning players. If we tried this, we'd just end up with the cream of the EDS getting snapped up by all of NYCFC's closest rivals because of the way the bidding process works.

Seriously, this deal is not about "breaking" FFPR. It's about spreading the brand, and passing players between the two academies - the ones who are good enough to play at the top will go from NYC to Manchester, and the ones who are not good enough may be sent from Manchester to NYC.

 

[silvasleftleg]

I doubt NYFC has anything to do with bypassing FFP or advertising MCFC. The Sheikh simply wants another club. That's all. He is a business man, he looks for business opportunities and makes the most of them.

 

[Falastur]

Maybe we could legally wrangle it like Udinese do to own more than one in Europe?

The only restriction that UEFA or FIFA have on multiple ownership is that they only allow you to submit one club into each competition. Thus, only one CL team, only one FA Cup team (not that I'm suggesting we would go that route, but if...), or as someone suggested above, only one Club World Cup team...

 

[kun]

3 designated players?

I'll go for Ronaldinho, SWP and Demichelis at the end of his contract here.

In order to properly take over the city NYCFC will certainly sign big name players. Most interesting sub-plot for me.

Ronaldinho is certainly a big player, and considering he was the first really big deal Txiki and Ferran instigated at Barca and with him coming to the age that he would consider a last payday in the US, I reckon it's possible.

SWP, with his city connections would probably love a chance to be involved (sort of) with city again and get first team football, unlike at QPR. Not to mention his brother is plying his trade in the big apple at the moment at the Red Bulls. Also Claudio Reyna played with him at City and will know how good he can be.

 

[SrilankanBlue]

@RafaelH117 1m
Just in: Xavi Hernández is actively negotiating with New York Red Bulls and could end his career there.

if true surely Txiki should swoop in, would be a great way to launch NYCFC!

 

[Falastur]

@RafaelH117 1m
Just in: Xavi Hernández is actively negotiating with New York Red Bulls and could end his career there.

if true surely Txiki should swoop in, would be a great way to launch NYCFC!

Thing is, Xavi could leave to join the Red Bulls this very minute. To join NYCFC he'd have to find somewhere to play for the next 12 months. I don't honestly believe that NYCFC will actually start negotiating to sign players until the summer. Scout, sure. But sign, no.

 

[SrilankanBlue]

@RafaelH117 1m
Just in: Xavi Hernández is actively negotiating with New York Red Bulls and could end his career there.

if true surely Txiki should swoop in, would be a great way to launch NYCFC!

Thing is, Xavi could leave to join the Red Bulls this very minute. To join NYCFC he'd have to find somewhere to play for the next 12 months. I don't honestly believe that NYCFC will actually start negotiating to sign players until the summer. Scout, sure. But sign, no.

Xavi is contracted at Barca till 2016 I believe, could simply stay put for a year if convinced, also-

‏@RafaelH117 7m
There's nothing to suggest he'll leave at the end of the season, but is negotiating terms with NY Red Bulls to join in the future.

 

[UlsterCitizen]

I doubt NYFC has anything to do with bypassing FFP or advertising MCFC. The Sheikh simply wants another club. That's all. He is a business man, he looks for business opportunities and makes the most of them.

Compare nycfc.com and mcfc.co.uk if you cant see the connection, they are our sister club and the first pank in a global brand

 

[silvasleftleg]

I doubt NYFC has anything to do with bypassing FFP or advertising MCFC. The Sheikh simply wants another club. That's all. He is a business man, he looks for business opportunities and makes the most of them.

Compare nycfc.com and mcfc.co.uk if you cant see the connection, they are our sister club and the first pank in a global brand

other than colors and football philosophy, there's no connection.

the club will have a new york identity.

who benefits ? new york .. and sheikh mansour who will one day see profit after investing.

we don't benefit in any way.

 

[kunaguero10]

I doubt NYFC has anything to do with bypassing FFP or advertising MCFC. The Sheikh simply wants another club. That's all. He is a business man, he looks for business opportunities and makes the most of them.

Compare nycfc.com and mcfc.co.uk if you cant see the connection, they are our sister club and the first pank in a global brand

other than colors and football philosophy, there's no connection.

the club will have a new york identity.

who benefits ? new york .. and sheikh mansour who will one day see profit after investing.

we don't benefit in any way.

Sorry but that's nonsense, if you don't understand how this will benefit Manchester City then there's little point in trying to explain it I'm afraid.

 

[Henkeman]

I doubt NYFC has anything to do with bypassing FFP or advertising MCFC. The Sheikh simply wants another club. That's all. He is a business man, he looks for business opportunities and makes the most of them.

Compare nycfc.com and mcfc.co.uk if you cant see the connection, they are our sister club and the first pank in a global brand

other than colors and football philosophy, there's no connection.

the club will have a new york identity.

who benefits ? new york .. and sheikh mansour who will one day see profit after investing.

we don't benefit in any way.

Really? Note who owns that majority stake. It's not the Sheikh. It's Manchester City. A very important point.

 

[SrilankanBlue]

Compare nycfc.com and mcfc.co.uk if you cant see the connection, they are our sister club and the first pank in a global brand

other than colors and football philosophy, there's no connection.

the club will have a new york identity.

who benefits ? new york .. and sheikh mansour who will one day see profit after investing.

we don't benefit in any way.

Really? Note who owns that majority stake. It's not the Sheikh. It's Manchester City. A very important point.

Yeah not everyone seems to have grasped this, Manchester City Football Club are the majority shareholders and owners of NYCFC, not ADUG/Sheikh Mansour directly.