NYCFC Live Announcement

[oakiecokie]

I doubt NYFC has anything to do with bypassing FFP or advertising MCFC. The Sheikh simply wants another club. That's all. He is a business man, he looks for business opportunities and makes the most of them.

Compare nycfc.com and mcfc.co.uk if you cant see the connection, they are our sister club and the first pank in a global brand

other than colors and football philosophy, there's no connection.

the club will have a new york identity.

who benefits ? new york .. and sheikh mansour who will one day see profit after investing.

we don't benefit in any way.

Sniff,sniff !!!

 

[blue5ter]

We've seen big investment in the last few months into our local ladies team - one assumes doing that with NYCFC will be on the agenda

Women's soccer isn't huge in the US, the National Team is huge because they are pretty dominate for the most part. They've tried a couple of times to start a women's domestic league and it just doesn't catch on as most women's pro sports in america unfortunately. The Womens Pro Soccer league was created in 2007, folded in 2012. The National Women's Soccer League was just created in it's place and their games are broadcasted on YouTube......

I agree women's US domestic soccer has had it's fair share of problems but it's still much bigger than women's football in the UK and look at what our owners are funding in relation to that. The latest US female champions btw were the women's team owned by Portland, the team our new NYCFC head coach has just left. Don;t get me wrong, I'm not saying it will be a huge priority. But I'd be amazed if it wasn't on the agenda

 

[blue5ter]

Surely there is some great potential FFP benefit here ?

If NYCFC are going to use our scouting network MCFC can we bill them a fee for same ? Likewise a salary split/contribution/management charge for those individuals with dual roles like Marwood, Txiki, etc would mean a lessening of the impact of their salaries on our FFP related spending

If NYCFC players come over to use our medical or training facilities we could do the same and then if we go there for exhibition games, we can charge them a fee. Players going on loan to NYCFC - we can then charge a loan fee for the privilege

I'm sure it's not one the principle reason for NYCFC which I recognise is part of a much bigger picture and I acknowledge UEFA can arbitrarily decide how much of any monies paid by NYCFC to MCFC will qualify for FFP purposes, but there must be some potential benefit here

There are a couple of ways this could work - although, as I've commented a number of times before, I'm far from convinced that our board agrees with the majority of posters on Bluemoon that the best way to approach FFPR is to find ways of cheating at it - but several of your points I'm not sure would work very well.

For example, having board members be technically employed by both clubs for a split salary would I guess in practice be entirely legitimate, although it feels a bit petty. I doubt that would save the club more than maybe £1-2m. We also could charge NYCFC for friendlies, but as you say, UEFA's auditors would nerf the heck out of any attempt to abuse that. Similarly, I don't think charging a fee to use medical facilities is a practical idea, I mean that must be worth, what? £1,000 a time tops? We'd be spending more on the travel costs to bring them to Manchester than we'd make back in elevated revenues.

On the other side, loaning to the MLS is very dangerous, because of the way MLS works, with the players owned by the league, not the clubs. It has happened before that an MLS club has agreed a deal to loan a player from Europe, contacted MLS to make the trade, and then the MLS has invited bids for the player's signature and the club which had negotiated the loan lost the bid and got to watch their loanee sign for a rival team instead. That wasn't MLS screwing over a club for the heck of it, that was MLS following their own rules on loaning players. If we tried this, we'd just end up with the cream of the EDS getting snapped up by all of NYCFC's closest rivals because of the way the bidding process works.

Seriously, this deal is not about "breaking" FFPR. It's about spreading the brand, and passing players between the two academies - the ones who are good enough to play at the top will go from NYC to Manchester, and the ones who are not good enough may be sent from Manchester to NYC.

I actually agree with much of what you say, especially the priority order of what's behind NYCFC. I also agree with you that 'cheating' our way out of FFP, like the £100 Mil p.a. box for our owner, will not be our plan or the answer. I actually think we will have no problems re FFP in the medium to long term, partly because of global branding & success which NYCFC will be a contributor to

But short term it may well be tight to comply so whilst as I said in my original post, it's not one of the motivating factors for NYCFC, I'm not sure we would pass by the opportunity to offset a few million pounds per year of expenditure which may well be possible and helpful - every little bit adds up

I think a lot of people (not you Falastur, from reading your post) under estimate how long term, well thought through and comprehensive a long term plan we have under our new owners. Soriano btw actually led a Barcelona delegation that looked at buying an MLS franchise. How long ago was our club trip to the US when we invested in the local community where we paid for a pitch for underprivileged kids in Spanish Harlem - a couple of years ago now IIRC ? They are already putting stuff about the Mad Hatter pub (the New York pub where MCFC supporters watch games - I went there actually a couple of years ago when I was in New York) on the NYCFC website. Then for example, look at the school within our expanding Etihad complex - part of the deal with assistance from a local Manchester school that will be involved in running it is for them to also help set up a school in Abu Dhabi. There is an arrogant assumption from the press that the sheikh just keeps throwing money at projects in the hope that some will stick but it's so much better thought through than that, with so many side agendas & spin-offs the mind boggles - I'm so glad that we are at the centre of it all because our owners have a much more comprehensive agenda than the vast majority of other so called sugar daddies - it's the only way you can even attempt to make inroads into the huge headstart the likes of Barca, RM & United have over us on a global basis

 

[S04]

People expecting this New York lark just to be a minor focus for our masters are kidding themselves, the reason why no one saw Soriano when he started working for City is that he was shipped to New York the day after and he is spending a lot of time there still.
New York is such a prize..failure is not an option I think.

 

[silvasleftleg]

other than colors and football philosophy, there's no connection.

the club will have a new york identity.

who benefits ? new york .. and sheikh mansour who will one day see profit after investing.

we don't benefit in any way.

Really? Note who owns that majority stake. It's not the Sheikh. It's Manchester City. A very important point.

Yeah not everyone seems to have grasped this, Manchester City Football Club are the majority shareholders and owners of NYCFC, not ADUG/Sheikh Mansour directly.

Does this mean that MCFC will be allowed to use the any profits that NYFC might make?

 

[Damocles]

Company No. 08355862

CITY FOOTBALL GROUP LIMITED
ETIHAD STADIUM
ETIHAD CAMPUS
MANCHESTER
M11 3FF

Date of Incorporation: 10/01/2013

I think these are the parent company of both NYCFC and MCFC.

 

[blue5ter]

People expecting this New York lark just to be a minor focus for our masters are kidding themselves, the reason why no one saw Soriano when he started working for City is that he was shipped to New York the day after and he is spending a lot of time there still.
New York is such a prize..failure is not an option I think.

100% correct. They will be spending many 100s of millions on this - the new stadium for a start - they aren't doing that for a giggle

But remember they are branding this as a city project - very little mention of Abu Dhabi in the publicity so far. I'm not sure what their intentions are long term - bit of a catch 22 - on one hand, there is a lot of 'anti-arab' sentiment in the US which would put potential -ves on the NYCFC project in the minds of Americans if Abu Dhabi is highlighted but on the other, this is a way of boosting the image of Abu Dhabi in the US in the same way it has in the UK.

I suspect long term, they like the idea of the latter but I still see MCFC as the core of all this which in turn of course benefits Abu Dhabi. However big NYCFC gets in the US, which of course is their intention in a big big way, no US club team will ever get the international recognition of a European team because they are never tested against club teams from other countries in a prestige competition

 

[blue5ter]

Does this mean that MCFC will be allowed to use the any profits that NYFC might make?

It will be a long long time til any profits are made there !

 

[silvasleftleg]

Does this mean that MCFC will be allowed to use the any profits that NYFC might make?

It will be a long long time til any profits are made there !

I get that.

Personally I don't think this project is about benefiting MCFC.

 

[fbloke]

Company No. 08355862

CITY FOOTBALL GROUP LIMITED
ETIHAD STADIUM
ETIHAD CAMPUS
MANCHESTER
M11 3FF

Date of Incorporation: 10/01/2013

I think these are the parent company of both NYCFC and MCFC.

To get a feel for what is planned all you need to do is email a few people at MCFC, NYCFC and in the not too distant future a few other places too.

They naming profile of the entire group is an interesting choice dont you think Dam'?

 

[Metal Biker]

Compare nycfc.com and mcfc.co.uk if you cant see the connection, they are our sister club and the first pank in a global brand

other than colors and football philosophy, there's no connection.

the club will have a new york identity.

who benefits ? new york .. and sheikh mansour who will one day see profit after investing.

we don't benefit in any way.

Sniff,sniff !!!

My sentiments exactly

 

[blue5ter]

Does this mean that MCFC will be allowed to use the any profits that NYFC might make?

It will be a long long time til any profits are made there !

I get that.

Personally I don't think this project is about benefiting MCFC.

I think it's a symbiotic relationship. Abu Dhabi, Manchester City & NYCFC will all benefit from each other long term - that's behind everything that they do - there is layer upon layer behind a lot of their planning. As the 'head global name' for want of a better description, we as a club and as city fans will benefit long term. The plans for our club involve us becoming as big a global name as not just RM or United but clubs like New York Yankees, Dallas Cowboys & the Red Sox - this is all part of that plan

 

[Anonymous]

More glowing praise for Pellegrini from Txiki. Love it.

In fact. Can you just feel the love everywhere around City at present.

Soft as shit I know but it does warm the heart.

-- Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:30 pm --

Interesting.

What's a designated player ?

Hopefully Garcia, Dzeko and Jovetic ;)

I was thinking Ozil, Hazard and Suarez? :))

 

[S04]

Company No. 08355862

CITY FOOTBALL GROUP LIMITED
ETIHAD STADIUM
ETIHAD CAMPUS
MANCHESTER
M11 3FF

Date of Incorporation: 10/01/2013

I think these are the parent company of both NYCFC and MCFC.

To get a feel for what is planned all you need to do is email a few people at MCFC, NYCFC and in the not too distant future a few other places too.

They naming profile of the entire group is an interesting choice dont you think Dam'?

It´s actually the name used by Soriano in the press conference I think? .."The City football group got a scouting network etc etc"
I suspect that one day Manchester will be the European centre for a global sports empire while other, perhaps bigger cities will have teams for their own confederations.

If true it´s really about cornering the global football market in a way that guarantees that you will get a slice of the pie whatever happens.. Until Sheikh Mansour gets bored and walks away of course :D

 

[moomba]

Here is where we can benefit from FFP. Put the 36 scouts and other shared resources on the books of NYCFC. Its all coming from the same pot so why not pass the expense onto the entity that doesnt have FFP restrictions?

 

[S04]

Here is where we can benefit from FFP. Put the 36 scouts and other shared resources on the books of NYCFC. Its all coming from the same pot so why not pass the expense onto the entity that doesnt have FFP restrictions?

As I see it CFG owns MCFC, and NYCFC.. ADUG owns CFG as we now

 

[Damocles]

Here is where we can benefit from FFP. Put the 36 scouts and other shared resources on the books of NYCFC. Its all coming from the same pot so why not pass the expense onto the entity that doesnt have FFP restrictions?

As I see it CFG owns MCFC, and NYCFC.. ADUG owns CFG as we now

I've had this argument with others, but can you find a single reliable source that states that ADUG even exists as a company outside of buying City?

It seems to be nothing but a vehicle used by Sheikh Mansour in the purchase and the journos who thought that a big comglomerate like ADIA were buying us, just transferred the word across.

ADUG seems to just be a vehicle no different from United being owned by Red Football Ltd.

Just one reliable source about ADUG doing something non-City related.

 

[fbloke]

Here is where we can benefit from FFP. Put the 36 scouts and other shared resources on the books of NYCFC. Its all coming from the same pot so why not pass the expense onto the entity that doesnt have FFP restrictions?

As I see it CFG owns MCFC, and NYCFC.. ADUG owns CFG as we now

I've had this argument with others, but can you find a single reliable source that states that ADUG even exists as a company outside of buying City?

It seems to be nothing but a vehicle used by Sheikh Mansour in the purchase and the journos who thought that a big comglomerate like ADIA were buying us, just transferred the word across.

ADUG seems to just be a vehicle no different from United being owned by Red Football Ltd.

Just one reliable source about ADUG doing something non-City related.

Here you go mate, scroll down for company structure -

<a class="postlink" href="http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00040946/MANCHESTER-CITY-FOOTBALL-CLUB-LIMITED/group-structure#shareholders" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00040 ... areholders</a>

 

[Damocles]

No, I'm aware that ADUG exists as an entity that owns Manchester City but my point is that people say "ADUG do this" or "ADUG do that" and talk as if it is an actual functioning company that has investments.

It just seems to be a name used to take over City, a trick of accounting, I don't know why people use it in conversation like it actually exists. This is why I compared it to Red Football, nobody ever says "Red Football do this", it's always the Glaziers.

Again, just one reliable source that ADUG exists as anything but a company setup to purchase City.

 

[S04]

No, I'm aware that ADUG exists as an entity that owns Manchester City but my point is that people say "ADUG do this" or "ADUG do that" and talk as if it is an actual functioning company that has investments.

It just seems to be a name used to take over City, a trick of accounting, I don't know why people use it in conversation like it actually exists. This is why I compared it to Red Football, nobody ever says "Red Football do this", it's always the Glaziers.

Again, just one reliable source that ADUG exists as anything but a company setup to purchase City.

They don´t, It´s just a holding company that owns CFG... When people say "ADUG" they mean a lot of things, Abu Dhabi in general, the Al-Nahyan family, Sheikh Mansour and his five brothers.