He left the economy in a way better state than he inherited. He stopped two conflicts in iraq and afghanistan. He made incremental improvements in healthcare but you are right in that his delivery did not match his oratory. That was pretty much down to the make up of politics during the time he was president. He admits himself that he didnt get Syria right. I dont agree that a President is only judged by his achievements - look at JFK. They are also judged on the legacy of their presidency and as I said, his will be remembered for the grace, 'they go low, we go high' nature of his office.
My apologies. It probably wasn't his smartest decision but then nobody is perfect. I do think that kind of overt intervention is very different to the type that is rumoured to have happened with the last US election and Brexit.I voted to remain bud, it's only after the shenanigans that I changed my mind. Selfish reasons because some of my children are from another country but those were my reasons. Obama and Americans in general can't IMO complain about foreign interference in their elections when an incumbent president tells the UK voters that if they vote to leave a trading bloc they will be put to the "Back of the queue".
My apologies. It probably wasn't his smartest decision but then nobody is perfect. I do think that kind of overt intervention is very different to the type that is rumoured to have happened with the last US election and Brexit.
I voted to remain bud, it's only after the shenanigans that I changed my mind. Selfish reasons because some of my children are from another country but those were my reasons. Obama and Americans in general can't IMO complain about foreign interference in their elections when an incumbent president tells the UK voters that if they vote to leave a trading bloc they will be put to the "Back of the queue".
How dare he restate what was US foreign policy (a greater European integration) since 1945. The temerity of the guy trying to influence a foreign nation to do what the US wanted. What an utter weasel.Oh do come along. That was never political interference that was just some kindly advice to all the misguided peasants from our kindly Cousin from across the pond. Oh and at great expense (ours no doubt..cheers Dave) he came personally, in Air Force one complete with support aircraft, several helicopters and Limos, cast of men in black....just to tell us that if we were disobedient enough to vote leave he would put us at the back of the que for candy.
Political interference is a totally different thing, dont you know anything?
Exactly. The strategic foreign policy of the US since the war has been to maintain a collective and united Europe. That was just their policy and it was designed to keep a united front against a hostile Soviet Union in the decades after it. He was only looking after that strategic position. Trump changed it because a. He had to, as Russia put him in power in the first place and b. he jumped into bed with that awful prick Farage and copied his tactics of scaremongering, social media misinformation and making a shared enemy out of 'foreigners' to win over the fucktards and American equivalent of Wetherspoons day drinkers.How dare he restate what was US foreign policy (a greater European integration) since 1945. The temerity of the guy trying to influence a foreign nation to do what the US wanted. What an utter weasel.
How dare he restate what was US foreign policy (a greater European integration) since 1945. The temerity of the guy trying to influence a foreign nation to do what the US wanted. What an utter weasel.
Why would the POTUS have anything other than a surface understanding of the great british people? Maybe he considered them sensible ;-).As you say US foreign policy stating an intent to influence the political direction of Europe, but if Putin were to do so a thing much outrage results? Had Trump been in the White house at the time and done the same thing but imploring the peasants to revolt and tell the EU to take a running jump there would have been ......much outrage.
That whole affair just showed how both Cameron and infact he (Obama) had absolutely no understanding of the British people. I would bet my last pound that if Obama had kept his mouth shut and gone telling some red necks in Alabama how lucky they were to be living the American dream rather than rocking up here threatening the British people then the result of the referendum may well have been different, a close win for remain quite probably.
With a great and decent wife. Pity they didn’t have UK citizenship.A great and decent bloke.
Why would the POTUS have anything other than a surface understanding of the great british people? Maybe he considered them sensible ;-).
He has no sense of humour and is very thin skinned. Fair to say he has harboured a personal grudge at being publicly teasedI do wonder how much he regrets making that speech at that journalists dinner where he royally took the piss out of Trump.
I think Trump coveted the office anyway, so it probably didn’t make any difference, but there’s no doubt it fuelled the fire to some extent.
He may have regretted it initially, but when you consider how Trump has systematically desecrated the Office of the President of the United States since he took over then he's probably not regretting it any more.I do wonder how much he regrets making that speech at that journalists dinner where he royally took the piss out of Trump.
I think Trump coveted the office anyway, so it probably didn’t make any difference, but there’s no doubt it fuelled the fire to some extent.
Im sure that isnt right just because of the magnitude of what the personal grudge has brought about. Climate change is probably the best example. Obama did make genuine strides to address it, which is very rare for any leader to do. It is of critical importance to everyone on earth. Trump has ripped it all up and goes after every major policy he initiated including Obamacare.He may have regretted it initially, but when you consider how Trump has systematically desecrated the Office of the President of the United States since he took over then he's probably not regretting it any more.
I think you misapprehend the reason for my suggested regret.He may have regretted it initially, but when you consider how Trump has systematically desecrated the Office of the President of the United States since he took over then he's probably not regretting it any more.
Im sure that isnt right just because of the magnitude of what the personal grudge has brought about. Climate change is probably the best example. Obama did make genuine strides to address it, which is very rare for any leader to do. It is of critical importance to everyone on earth. Trump has ripped it all up and goes after every major policy he initiated including Obamacare.
And killed bin ladenHe left the economy in a way better state than he inherited. He stopped two conflicts in iraq and afghanistan. He made incremental improvements in healthcare but you are right in that his delivery did not match his oratory. That was pretty much down to the make up of politics during the time he was president. He admits himself that he didnt get Syria right. I dont agree that a President is only judged by his achievements - look at JFK. They are also judged on the legacy of their presidency and as I said, his will be remembered for the grace, 'they go low, we go high' nature of his office.