Offside judgement (Laporte v Wolves)

[blueparrot]

Either thicker lines, and no overlap of the 2 lines before over ruling the on feild decision. Or feet only and the attackers heel must be in front of the defenders feet before over ruling the on feild decision.

 

[dandeman2008]

There’s a simple fix if the rules stay the same. We have skin tight shirts going forward, and we put a line/design on the shoulder to show where it ends. It’s a stupid thing to do but this isn’t the first time we’ve had this go against us.

 

[willipp]

Furthermost point of the foot. Forget upper body, heads, arms etc, simple where are your feet. Two lines from the point of the foot and there is no grey area around where does an upper arm start or what point was his left bollock furthest forward.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It's simply bollocks what happened last night.

If he'd have put the ball in the net with the bit of his arm they drew the line from then I have no doubt it would have been given as handball.

F*cking stupid decision.

 

[GoatersLeftShin]

This isn't what VAR was brought in to check for. It was supposed to be clear and obvious errors and this is plainly not clear or obvious. Im sure we can all remember the odd, rare goal where someone was 2 yards offside and score and whilst annoying at least it was a talking point.

I cannot understand thy the PL want to rule goals out like this. It kills the game, slows it down, bores and frustrates supporters and can be used to influence games. In this case it's possible to give a goal or not give a goal.

They need to start getting a grip on this now. It's an absolute disgrace and is absolutely unjustifiable.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Just change the bloody rule so that only feet are considered, it'll save multiple threads every bloody week. And yes, I'm aware they can't change rules mid season.


Oh wait...

Spot-on. Just using the feet is much easier to see. The other change should be to make an allowance for the lack of accuracy in the equipment. You can't be judged offside by a few inches because the camera shutter speed is not accurate to that sort of level. It depends on when the frame is frozen. Some leeway has to be allowed and in cases of doubt the advantage (as it used to be) should always go to the attacker.

 

[asahartford1]

That clearly shows it’s offside (this seasons). It would have be onside last season when the point was the arm pit. It’s now the “t short sleeve line”.

Does it not matter that they froze the action after the ball left the head of Silva and not as it made contact with his head.

Wouldn't have thought it was a difficult process to get that right

 

[SWP's back]

Does it not matter that they froze the action after the ball left the head of Silva and not as it made contact with his head.

Wouldn't have thought it was a difficult process to get that right

Depends if there’s a frame of that. The PL say they use the first frame on it after contact. Id much rather they showed the frame before and after like they do in cricket.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

The problem I've got with this nonsense about being as accurate as possible is that you're still fucking guessing.

What is the point of breaking the lines out and watching a million replays when there's realistically no way of knowing beyond the shadow of a doubt anyway?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

It's simply bollocks what happened last night.

If he'd have put the ball in the net with the bit of his arm they drew the line from then I have no doubt it would have been given as handball.

F*cking stupid decision.

The very word I used in the post-match thread with the added adjective 'arbitrational'!

 

[Southern KK]

I’m not convinced that the camera angel can guarantee a correct decision as it’s position must be positioned at an angled and then the line drawing software must be able to draw along the exact same plane.

I would have thought that, in cases such as this, that an overhead camera that moves in a line from the centre of the goal would be far more accurate.

In any case it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.

 

[Mike45]

That us handball! We are talking about offside. That is the thickest line I have ever seen and its not even straight

Yep for offide arm is not considered at all. It's not the same as handball(so people should not use their definition of offside is only when using parts of body that you can score).





This should be the correct line more or less. And remember a line has no actual size so even my line is thick. :) Their line is(apart from not being straight and starting way below the arm) super thick.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

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[Mike45]

Are you kidding?

You’re kidding right?

You do understand why the graphic matters to an offside call don’t you?

please tell me this is a Clarkie, I refuse to believe football fans are that ignorant of the laws of the game.

Well in fact he is right and you are wrong :)
Arm does not matter at all for offside rule. It's completely different and irrelevant with handball rule.
FIFA rules state that clearly.

 

[hgblue]

I don’t remember a twenty page thread singing the praises of VAR when Cancelo’s excellent goal at West Brom was correctly reinstated after the assistant flagged for offside. Even in the game last night Jesus had his goal correctly reinstated thanks to VAR. Laporte was flagged offside so VAR cost us nothing.

 

[Blue Feather]

Hahahaha purple line half way down his arm and not even straight, it's on a very slight angle. Brilliant fucking corruption from the VAR room again

A rough measurement with a rule (how ironic) about 4mm difference as it is on my screen. Ridiculous but expected

 

[Burtonblue]

They shouldn't be allowed to use the lines at all. They should look with their eyes and if it's not immediately obvious, then the goal should stand. Or they should go with what the linesman decided. It's supposed to be for clear errors, not forensic investigation into every decision.

100%
The technology is not there to give millimetric judgements.
If you look level you’re onside.
Whatever happened to giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt??

 

[SWP's back]

I’m not convinced that the camera angel can guarantee a correct decision as it’s position must be positioned at an angled and then the line drawing software must be able to draw along the exact same plane.

I would have thought that, in cases such as this, that an overhead camera that moves in a line from the centre of the goal would be far more accurate.

In any case it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.

What do you mean by “it wasn’t a clear and obvious error”?

Clear and obvious errors aren’t part of var offside decisions.

 

[Gray]

From MCFC own video highlights:

At 2:48 on the video as the ball is kicked he is clearly onside.


At 2:49 on the video with the ball more than halfway to Laporte he may be a fraction offside.

So much room for doubt and obviously VAR bent their video so that it was some time after the ball had left the boot of Mahrez. Sorry PGMOL but your bent lot of officals got that decision completely wrong.

 

[SWP's back]

Yep for offide arm is not considered at all. It's not the same as handball(so people should not use their definition of offside is only when using parts of body that you can score).

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This should be the correct line more or less. And remember a line has no actual size so even my line is thick. :) Their line is(apart from not being straight and starting way below the arm) super thick.

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You’re reading old rules.

PL handbook for this season says it’s the t shirt line as you can now score with the top of your arm.

Your picture is bollocks as you’re drawing the line to the shoulder which is incorrect. Have you watched no football this season? This isn’t the first decision using the t shirt sleeve line. In fact it’s happened virtually every single week in other games.