The Light Was Yellow Sir
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First ever start in the PL for Kane was when he was 20 and he played 10 games, after being on loan at Orient, Millwall, Norwich and Leicester.
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Oleksandr Zinchenko | Joins Arsenal for £30m
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He's 21 not 31. No idea if he'll end up good enough or not, but writing him off at such a young age is the kind of thing Mourinho did with KDB. You'd have thought people would learn not to do that.
For every 1 case of KDB you quote there are dozens of examples where that didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that, in my opinion, he hasn’t got what it takes for our first team - and judging by what I’m reading elsewhere today about the club telling him he won’t play this year, then they possibly have that view too...
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Bony and Mangala both displayed an admiral attitude, as did Joe. Unfortunately it takes more than attitude to be succesful in the game. He only managed 14 games last season and with our squad arguably stronger this season, particularly in the area he featured for us it will be unlikely he gets more game time this time out.
It is great he wants to stay and fight but I think most are just being realistic in recognising that it is almost certainly going to be a losing battle.
Yep, agree wholeheartedly
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+1Pep gave his blessing on letting Delph go to Stoke last season, it was as good as done until he changed his mind and stayed. And thankfully it was a great decision.
I'm glad the kid is staying and can def see him getting some decent playing time.
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Works hard, humble, does what the boss says.that leaves just quality and I think he had enough of that to stay
For every 1 case of KDB you quote there are dozens of examples where that didn’t happen. All I’m saying is that, in my opinion, he hasn’t got what it takes for our first team - and judging by what I’m reading elsewhere today about the club telling him he won’t play this year, then they possibly have that view too...
Never said he was going to make it. I just take issue with the idea that wanting to stay is somehow indicative of a lack of ambition, any more than wanting to leave is a lack of ambition. It's a ludicrous judgement to take, and can be randomly applied whatever he chooses.
PragueBlue
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When the club accept a bid, the player should leave.
Stupid post.
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Standard.Stupid post.
He's a 21 year old kid, who two years ago had never played outside of Ukraine and one year ago his only additional experience was an underpar year in the Netherlands at PSV where he was relegated to the reserves.
Then this past year, despite all that, he shows the character and the ability to somehow convince the manager with arguably the highest bar for his players in world football to include him in an unorthodox position in a team looking to compete at the absolute highest levels in world club football.
Whilst I admittedly rate him higher than some, I think due to the limited nature of his appearances in a clearly unfamiliar position have absolutely opened the floor to a fair debate about his ability. All things considered I thought £16m was fair considering his lack of a true portfolio of performances.
But the crucial thing with Zinchenko (if he stays), much like Delph, is that he has a value to the squad beyond his footballing side. As Pep would say, he has personality. Personality to fight, be humble, work hard, be competitive, and win. Having an ultra determined youngster like Oleks nipping at your heels constantly will keep many of our more senior players at their sharpest. Also, look at the improvements he's made as a footballer this past year.
I don't think it's a lack of ambition either if he stays. You have to think that in his mind, this might be his last chance to play for a top club. It might not of course, but maybe that's not something you can take for granted. And at his age, maybe he thinks he might as well stay and fight and give it everything to possibly part of something special. That way if he doesn't quite make it he goes out more on his own terms. And if he does..
Then this past year, despite all that, he shows the character and the ability to somehow convince the manager with arguably the highest bar for his players in world football to include him in an unorthodox position in a team looking to compete at the absolute highest levels in world club football.
Whilst I admittedly rate him higher than some, I think due to the limited nature of his appearances in a clearly unfamiliar position have absolutely opened the floor to a fair debate about his ability. All things considered I thought £16m was fair considering his lack of a true portfolio of performances.
But the crucial thing with Zinchenko (if he stays), much like Delph, is that he has a value to the squad beyond his footballing side. As Pep would say, he has personality. Personality to fight, be humble, work hard, be competitive, and win. Having an ultra determined youngster like Oleks nipping at your heels constantly will keep many of our more senior players at their sharpest. Also, look at the improvements he's made as a footballer this past year.
I don't think it's a lack of ambition either if he stays. You have to think that in his mind, this might be his last chance to play for a top club. It might not of course, but maybe that's not something you can take for granted. And at his age, maybe he thinks he might as well stay and fight and give it everything to possibly part of something special. That way if he doesn't quite make it he goes out more on his own terms. And if he does..
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