Olivia’s killer guilty - Minimum of 42 years

[VOOMER]

Agreed, worst thing was (because this was pre-PACE ) the Police had evidence exonerating Stefan, the boss’s were told this, but still pushed it through, fuckin horrendous behaviour.

Exactly

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

I moved close to Liverpool for work, and the nature of my job see’s the destruction that is happening in Liverpool (not the police by the way)

Society in Liverpool is ingrained in criminal behaviour that dates back to the docks etc etc. The police are next to useless and have no real intention of ridding the city of its criminal gang stranglehold - especially on the kids that are dragged into the gangs and are causing areas not to be entered

Travelling on the train the other week back from work,a group of young boys and girls boarded (around 12 years old) overheard the conversation from one of the lads that he was carrying a blade for protection. There conversation throughout the journey floated between being proper kids talking about music etc, but then back to the reality they are stuck in - pretty grim existence and sad

The week before there was gangs of youths tooled up in Formby, birkdale who had travelled from Liverpool looking for certain individuals to carry out violence- thankfully the police did stop this in time.

Every city has crime, but when you see what is happening on a weekly basis and the impact it is causing with no end in sight, it is a a one way ticket to hell

The murder of Rhys Jones should have been the wake up call the city needed to try and fight back and reclaim the streets from the gangs - they didn’t and haven’t done enough

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

I moved close to Liverpool for work, and the nature of my job see’s the destruction that is happening in Liverpool (not the police by the way)

Society in Liverpool is ingrained in criminal behaviour that dates back to the docks etc etc. The police are next to useless and have no real intention of ridding the city of its criminal gang stranglehold - especially on the kids that are dragged into the gangs and are causing areas not to be entered

Travelling on the train the other week back from work,a group of young boys and girls boarded (around 12 years old) overheard the conversation from one of the lads that he was carrying a blade for protection. There conversation throughout the journey floated between being proper kids talking about music etc, but then back to the reality they are stuck in - pretty grim existence and sad

The week before there was gangs of youths tooled up in Formby, birkdale who had travelled from Liverpool looking for certain individuals to carry out violence- thankfully the police did stop this in time.

Every city has crime, but when you see what is happening on a weekly basis and the impact it is causing with no end in sight, it is a a one way ticket to hell

The murder of Rhys Jones should have been the wake up call the city needed to try and fight back and reclaim the streets from the gangs - they didn’t and haven’t done enough

Good post. The place is inherently criminal, its a cultural thing. They just see it as alternative or being unique in some odd way, but they want to live by their own rules. When challenged on it they become insular and defensive, this is where their distinctive victim mentality comes from. It is a closing of ranks

 

[Blue Mist]

Good post. The place is inherently criminal, its a cultural thing. They just see it as alternative or being unique in some odd way, but they want to live by their own rules. When challenged on it they become insular and defensive, this is where their distinctive victim mentality comes from. It is a closing of ranks

@BlueMoonz1977 @Uncle Wally One Ball I agree with both of your posts bar one thing. I don't think the police are turning a blind eye to it (ignore the coach attack) they are drowning in a sea of constant lawlessness.
The scousers were the first in the country to do ram raids, they are the reason why all forces have helicopters, (travelling to manchester, cheshire in stolen high powered cars, Rob and race back) They perfected drug importation far earlier than Manchester or London criminals. They are, by and large feral.
My sister in law is scouse and albeit honest as the day is long, sees nothing wrong with all of what you describe because you do not slag your own off !!!
Her daughter in law worked in a care home and organised the entire family getting covid jabs by putting them all down as cleaners/gardners etc. I think the care home quietly said no when 15 were jabbed (bear in mind other staff did the same) It is generation's of us v them)

 

[mancityvstoke]

Not much has changed in 60 years all over the world.

 

[Ducado]

I live in Merseyside now, whilst I have no love for Liverpool FC or the sentimentalism that seems to par of the culture

There is some classic stereotyping going on in this thread the vast majority of people in Liverpool are no more criminals than the vast amount of people in Manchester, London, leeds or anywhere in the UK!

The fact that parts of the city are blighted by poverty just as parts of Manchester are comes into it, we've had epidemics of shootings in Manchester and Salford before now

 

[Blue Mist]

I live in Merseyside now, whilst I have no love for Liverpool FC or the sentimentalism that seems to par of the culture

There is some classic stereotyping going on in this thread the vast majority of people in Liverpool are no more criminals than the vast amount of people in Manchester, London, leeds or anywhere in the UK!

The fact that parts of the city are blighted by poverty just as parts of Manchester are comes into it, we've had epidemics of shootings in Manchester and Salford before now

But there is, in my experience with the sister in law and her friends, an undercurrent of 'we do what we want'. Everything seems to be done underhand, us against authority, especially govt.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

@BlueMoonz1977 @Uncle Wally One Ball I agree with both of your posts bar one thing. I don't think the police are turning a blind eye to it (ignore the coach attack) they are drowning in a sea of constant lawlessness.
The scousers were the first in the country to do ram raids, they are the reason why all forces have helicopters, (travelling to manchester, cheshire in stolen high powered cars, Rob and race back) They perfected drug importation far earlier than Manchester or London criminals. They are, by and large feral.
My sister in law is scouse and albeit honest as the day is long, sees nothing wrong with all of what you describe because you do not slag your own off !!!
Her daughter in law worked in a care home and organised the entire family getting covid jabs by putting them all down as cleaners/gardners etc. I think the care home quietly said no when 15 were jabbed (bear in mind other staff did the same) It is generation's of us v them)

That's the biggest problem in that those who abide by the rules yet ignore law breaking on others are just as bad.

Some of the worst criminals in this country could have been locked up long ago if people had the moral courage to speak out.

 

[Phil1]

I live in Merseyside now, whilst I have no love for Liverpool FC or the sentimentalism that seems to par of the culture

There is some classic stereotyping going on in this thread the vast majority of people in Liverpool are no more criminals than the vast amount of people in Manchester, London, leeds or anywhere in the UK!

The fact that parts of the city are blighted by poverty just as parts of Manchester are comes into it, we've had epidemics of shootings in Manchester and Salford before now

Of course everything you say is true but you’ll have little joy getting it across on here.
My 15 year old son is a scouser, lives there with my ex wife and he and his group of mates are no different to any other group of teenage lads who grow up in major cities.
There are scumbags aplenty as well but again, no more than you get in other cities.
An incident like this will often see an over emotional response that paints a whole group of people as scumbags but I suppose that’s just human nature.
I think Liverpool for the most part is a good City with good people.

 

[Blue Mist]

That's the biggest problem in that those who abide by the rules yet ignore law breaking on others are just as bad.

Some of the worst criminals in this country could have been locked up long ago if people had the moral courage to speak out.

I agree. She would never be in a position to 'grass' up a murderer but won't accept her behaviour, like covid queue jumping, sets the general tone of 'we can do what we want.'
There are many other similar instances where it just makes me shake my head.