Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I feel like I've just landed in 1984 or something

Why are you so surprised?

I think he's Doctor Who...

Either that or he's cocked up the server and has created a worm hole...

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

I don't know what happens on iCarly.

either do i bob but you re at that level

yep!!!!


but we all love ya too bob ya weirdo (i need not wink ,ye know don t ye,ye know )

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

Fantastic post up there Damo, "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"

What he was involved in was evil yes, as are the hundreds of things the US has done down the years, specifically the CIA, which has overthrown government after government for the USA's own needs, or the thousands of civilians killed in Vietnam. The man should of been stood to trial, which is the typical democratic message we try to send to the world, killing him in cold blood will only antagonise terrorists all over the world and further push them towards Bin Laden's opinions on the US/West.

How do you arrest someone who is firing at you and resisting arrest? Wait until they run out of bullets and keep your head down....<br /><br />-- Tue May 03, 2011 5:37 pm --<br /><br />

When do you all reckon this photo was taken? Obama and Clinton's faces are a LOL.

[bigimg]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/5962/6a00d8341c4df253ef01543.jpg[/bigimg]

This was taken during the raid.

 

[Damocles]

How do you arrest someone who is firing at you and resisting arrest? Wait until they run out of bullets and keep your head down....

You're telling me that entire technological and logisitical might of the biggest and best military force in the world couldn't have done this?

 

[jerseyblue]

I'm just curious how you can justify that you somehow know more than the entire intelligence community, world leaders, and thousands of people that literally work every single day on finding and killing the people who have essentially declared war on basic human rights.

Your putting words into my mouth and you are doing it badly. In addition to this, you've used the whole "well, our government say they know, so I believe them" which is just daft and doesn't even need to be argued.

What I said, is that no person has ever linked Bin Laden to 9/11 apart from the tortured KSM and an entirely faked video, and even the US Government doesn't blame him for the USS Cole.

I made no such statements about conspiracies or intelligence officers and the like of. My version of what probably happened, is that the US needed someone to hit back after 9/11 and picked Bin Laden as he was a known terrorist due to the Embassy bombings, and because they their intelligence told them that it was a group of Islamic fascists who hit them. Bin Laden was already top of the most wanted list, and he was an Islamic fascist, and they had to make a decision quickly. Investigations into organisations like Al-Qaeda work in terror cells in loads of networks and the like. It isn't an easy thing to just crack, and the speed of which they declared it was Bin Laden is highly suspicious.

I certainly am putting words in your mouth...but if you sincerely believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US gov't and Osama is not responsible for what he is said to be than you absolutely MUST believe that all of these people are in on the whole sham.

5 days after 9/11, Bin Laden released this statement:

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.

Last thing I'm gonna say as we could argue endlessly over the internet and clearly we are of different beliefs...but with regards to this quote, how come you aren't skeptical of this "statement"...you seem to be skeptical of all of the "proof" that the government and other sources offer, but this statement you are taking as fact, just an inconsistancy is all.

 

[Citizen Green]

Fantastic post up there Damo, "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"

What he was involved in was evil yes, as are the hundreds of things the US has done down the years, specifically the CIA, which has overthrown government after government for the USA's own needs, or the thousands of civilians killed in Vietnam. The man should of been stood to trial, which is the typical democratic message we try to send to the world, killing him in cold blood will only antagonise terrorists all over the world and further push them towards Bin Laden's opinions on the US/West.

How do you arrest someone who is firing at you and resisting arrest? Wait until they run out of bullets and keep your head down....

So you're telling me these so call Navy Seals, the best the US (the biggest superpower in the world) has to offer would of been un capable of disarming a fragile Osama bin Laden?.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

How do you arrest someone who is firing at you and resisting arrest? Wait until they run out of bullets and keep your head down....

You're telling me that entire technological and logisitical might of the biggest and best military force in the world couldn't have done this?

What I am saying is nobody knows the actual details of the raid so saying he should of been arrested is ridiculous when you don't know the circumstances. The seals became under fire and returned accordingly. In the statements given they said an id of Bin Laden was only done after he was shot.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Damo,
I've got issues with many things you've said and I understand you've got a perspective but I do want to point out a few things, starting with the above post.

So you're telling all of us that because Osama truly believed in his work and his idea of Islam that his actions are justifiable? I understand that people have their own world views, but I think everyone here can tell you that what Osama preached was downright wrong and not how the Koran is meant to be interpereted. Speaking of simplifying things, Osama simplified the words of this text to work to his advantage in order to recruit, teach, and arm a group of people created to incite violence and kill innocent people. Osama was a bad man and there certainly a point when you give up your rights as a human, and Osama had passed that point when he decided to purposely murder civilians in order to further his ideology.

The second thing I don't get is your consistant denial that Osama is at fault for any of this. What you're claiming is that thousands, probably tens of thousands, of intelligence, armed forces, and government officials in the US and across the globe are working in concert to falsely accuse Osama of being behind several terrorist acts in the last 20 years. Are you nuts? Just because you don't have the information doesn't mean that Osama is innocent. You really think that the government is going to share this info with the general public? Do you think Bush gathered a group of thousands of people and said, "listen up guys, we are going to pin this all on Al-Qaeda so we can invade a shithole country in the middle east that no one wants anything to do with...so why don't you all go make up a bunch of jibber-jabber that implicates Bin Laden so we can get in there."

I'm just curious how you can justify that you somehow know more than the entire intelligence community, world leaders, and thousands of people that literally work every single day on finding and killing the people who have essentially declared war on basic human rights.

Although you weren't addressing me I have an issue with this bit in bold.

You simply can't have this mentality if you want to resolve anything, it's dismissive and wrong. You can't just assume somebody is born into this world 'pure evil', it's all a matter of circumstance, upbringing and environment that leads people to do what they do. You could preach insanity, but he's still a human being, and all human beings should have rights whether you like it or not. To take away things like the right to a fair trial is just ludicrous and I can't believe people are arguing with Damocles on that point.

It undermines morality in an unspeakable way which will always lead to further conflict.

You see i think if you take away someones number 1 fundamental human right "the right to live," then you sacrifice your right to human rights. Okay with that statement there are alot of roundabout issues including soldiers and executioners who work on other peoples orders.

 

[Damocles]

You're telling me that entire technological and logisitical might of the biggest and best military force in the world couldn't have done this?

What I am saying is nobody knows the actual details of the raid so saying he should of been arrested is ridiculous when you don't know the circumstances. The seals became under fire and returned accordingly. In the statements given they said an id of Bin Laden was only done after he was shot.

The US sent their soldiers there on a kill mission, they had no intention of capturing him, it's in this thread a few pages back.

 

[glen quagmire]

Here we go:
source: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-us-changes-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... nges-story</a>

The US has backed away from its initial account of the killing of Osama bin Laden, which claimed that the al-Qaida leader was carrying a weapon and fired at US troops before he was shot dead.

On Monday, John Brennan, a counterterrorism adviser to Barack Obama, said Bin Laden was "engaged in a firefight" with his assailants and he did not know if he "got off any rounds". Other US officials briefed that he was firing at members of the US navy's elite Seal Team Six.

However, subsequent briefings by US officials suggest that, when confronted at the high-security complex in Abbottabad, Bin Laden did not have a weapon and did not fire at his assailants. With some questions being raised as to why Bin Laden was shot dead, and whether he was executed, rather than taken into custody, Brennan said: "If we had the opportunity to take Bin Laden alive, if he didn't present any threat, the individuals involved were able and prepared to do that."

Officials have continued to imply he offered resistance before he was shot but have not clarified the extent of that resistance, given that he apparently did not have a weapon. Bin Laden was shot once above the left eye and once in the chest. The Obama administration is considering whether to release photographs of his burial at sea.

There were additional changes to the original narrative offered by US officials. Reporters were initially told that one of Bin Laden's wives was killed while he was using her as a human shield, prompting headlines such as "Osama bin Laden killed cowering behind his 'human shield' wife". But it has since been clarified that Bin Laden's wife was shot in the calf and did not die in the assault, although another woman was killed. This change of account has also raised questions over whether Bin Laden's wife - or anyone else - was being used as a human shield.

One US official told Politico: "Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up. This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed."

As well as amending the condition of Bin Laden's wife, US officials have also changed the name of which of his sons was killed during the raid. The dead son was initially named in press reports as Hamza, described in one article as Bin Laden's "presumed heir" to the leadership of al-Qaida, apparently based on the official White House transcript of a Brennan briefing. However, Brennan said during the briefing that it was another son, Khalid, who was killed.

Qualifying the narrative of the assault that he offered to reporters, Brennan explained that some of the information came from live video feeds of the raid. "I wasn't there," he said