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[ali benarbia's studs]

Just a quick read on the subject shows London,Glasgow,Bristol and Liverpool as slave trade cities. End of.

 

[manclad]

Think the ship is a symbol of Trade and the fact Manchester is so far inland there is pride on that alone.

Hence why one of the large buildings in central Manchester is known worldwide as
"The Free Trade Hall" !!

 

[mancityvstoke]

That last bit, that you added on, is a bit accusatory, attacking the person not the opinion. Life is a maelstrom of good and evil, always has been and always will be, so intensely scrutinising one side without factoring in the other is wrong, the two sides come as a pair and actions taken were and are related to each other.

My point is what do you want to achieve by saying everything the empire did was bad? Do you expect the British (whoever they are because I'm not sure I qualify for this being of Irish descent from after the time of slavery) to continually mourn and destroy anything they have loosely connected to that period? Or will a 2 minute silence do?

and a candle every year

 

[Corky]

I suppose we could consider if what the British did in building their empire was any better or worse than, say, the Spanish at the same time, to put the developments into a context.

Anyway, personally I don't feel any guilt about what happened in building the British Empire, any more than I feel hostility to Scandinavians, whose ancestors raped and pillaged in their conquest of Northern England. It's all just history to me.

Probably your ancestors, work it out!

 

[aguero93:20]

Personally I never liked the eagle

You're dead to me.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Nobody cares that there is a ship on our badge or any other badge. The only people who will react to this "story" in any shape or form will be the white, middle-aged Daily Mail reading bitter wankers who will interpret it to suit their fantasy persecution complex.

By this time next week "they'll" be forcing us to change our badge as well as cancel Christmas.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The ship comes from the Manchester Coat of Arms and symbolises the City as trading entity with the world just like the Bees symbolise the City as an industrial entity and the hard working people

Manchester at the forefront of the abolition of slavery hence the gift of the statue of Abraham Lincoln from the USA people which stands proudly in Lincoln Square Manchester

Lincoln wrote a letter on 19 January 1863 to thank the people of Manchester for their support
But Manchester’s roots in the fight against human rights abuses, and slavery in particular, predates even Lincoln’s birth.

In 1787, leading British abolitionist Thomas Clarkson gave a speech at what is now Manchester Cathedral.

After being met with hostility in Liverpool, Clarkson was given a much warmer welcome in Manchester and the city positioned itself at the vanguard of the anti-slavery movement here in the UK.

Why Manchester has an Abraham Lincoln statue and square

How the City of Manchester helped American president Abraham Lincoln abolish slavery

ilovemanchester.com

Symbols of Manchester - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ah, to the WORKING people of Manchester. Makes sense. That's why Liverpool was against abolition, I suppose. We all know nobody works there.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Nobody cares that there is a ship on our badge or any other badge. The only people who will react to this "story" in any shape or form will be the white, middle-aged Daily Mail reading bitter wankers who will interpret it to suit their fantasy persecution complex.

By this time next week "they'll" be forcing us to change our badge as well as cancel Christmas.

I'm pleased we've got a slave ship on there tbh. I thought the old st marks badge had a touch of the iron cross/3rd Reich about it ;-)

 

[Pedestrian]

Was this thread started by the WhatsApp group of cunts?

 

[SebastianBlue]

That last bit, that you added on, is a bit accusatory, attacking the person not the opinion. Life is a maelstrom of good and evil, always has been and always will be, so intensely scrutinising one side without factoring in the other is wrong, the two sides come as a pair and actions taken were and are related to each other.

My point is what do you want to achieve by saying everything the empire did was bad? Do you expect the British (whoever they are because I'm not sure I qualify for this being of Irish descent from after the time of slavery) to continually mourn and destroy anything they have loosely connected to that period? Or will a 2 minute silence do?

I added the second bit almost immediately because I thought it necessary to explain that I my views are based on reality: what has actually happened and how it shaped what is happening now, rather than an unknowable alternative history that could have been better or worse.

It wasn’t attacking anyone, just pointing out the the stance of many that argue “the past is the past” is fundamentally flawed, as it could be applied to all manner of sordid situations—in the past, present, and future—the implications of which even those asserting it would find quite troubling. That is a fundamental flaw in logic and understanding that I cannot personally tolerate, as it leads to even more harm and exploitation. It is the excuse of criminals and despots, and it has no place in civil discourse and good faith discussion.

Nor did I say “everything the empire did was bad”.

And there is where I need to repeat what I said before: I think we’ll need to disagree on your (or my) premise, as we are going well off topic.