I'd like to see how Guardiola would do with the players Pellegrini had at his disposal yesterday.
yes, we'd all do things a bit differently, but the overwhelming reason for the poor performances is down to the missing players.
Obviously.......We couldn't afford to lose the height against a long ball side.
Clearly. But we have a scapegoating mentality on bluemoon.I'd like to see how Guardiola would do with the players Pellegrini had at his disposal yesterday.
yes, we'd all do things a bit differently, but the overwhelming reason for the poor performances is down to the missing players.
I disagree. Delph at Left-wing was a tactical move to help nullify Mahrez. It didn't work, but the tactical choice was fine. Clichy/Kolarov is really touch and go. Seen both play well and poorly. Since Clichy played 4 days ago, it was no surprise Kola got the start.Sagna at centre half,Clichy at left back would have offered much needed pace and not playing Delph as a fucking left winger sould have been a start dont ya think?
I think you make some valid points and the players have to take some responsibility......however what about Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc.... The same players and/or tactics let us down.... However Pellegrini refuses to change either !Clearly. But we have a scapegoating mentality on bluemoon.
Take the last game for example: High line vs Vardy. Folks fail to point out Vardy didn't score. So what's the point of whinning about something that didn't change the outcome.
Worse still is the porous analysis. Leicester, counter attacks. We play possession. So by nature of the game, we will control possession. Unless folks are asking we hold the possession in our half, I really don't get the point of the whinning :?
Once in possession, we have to move up and down the field as a unit, or we are bound to leave huge gapa BTW offense and defense. So the high line is simply pro forma. Against a team defending with 8 men, we are bound to add more players on attack to help out. I.e the Fullbacks. It's key though that our players hustle back when we lose possession. It is here we failed. Yaya, Silva and Delph all failed miserably at it. Albeit, Yaya got the flack.
It is imperative that our CBs win most of their one v ones on counters. If they can't then we need better tacklers. Our defense is highly dependent on possession. And that wouldn't change under Pep. High line coupled with possession is the fulcrum of our good defending. So the high line is just silly. A poor understanding of what we are trying to do.
2nd Complaint, Delph on the left. Anyone who didn't get why this was the case, simply needs to retire from analysis discussions. You can disagree with it, but to not understand it is beyond silly. One word, Mahrez!!! It's an understandable choice.
Player put forward and tactics were not the issue. Player performances were.
Let me get into some details here:
So first goal: Simple set piece, outside out box, Huth beat Dimechelis. That's just not on the coach. The tactic was right, CD on CD, big on big. Man-up defenae on dead ball situation. Tactics was right, personnel was correct. Dimechelis just lost the battle. How Pellars is implicated in that is beyond me.
2nd goal: In possession, Silva losses the ball, but shows no hustle to get back(individual error 1), Kante beats Zab (Not an error, but shows he was in play but lost the individual battle), Ota goes to ground (individual error here, Simply should have rode Machete rather than attempt winning the ball. Error 2), Delph, who often gets on everyone's 'hustle' starting team sheet, AGAIN commits the error everyone tends to blame Yaya on. Once we lost possession, Mahrez started a cross field run past Delph, who just stands there transfixed. I mean he got a start for the singular purpose of helping slow down Mahrez. Worst error on the play in my opinion. Had he tracked Mahrez like he should have the play would have died on Otamend's slide and a Delph ball recovery.
By the way, Dimechelis and Kolarov were both in great defending positions. But Mahrez was simply better 1v1. Probably the best in the league right now.
3rd Goal like the first was simply Huth having a ball. Beating Demichelis again.
So when I say our errors are simply individual rather than tactical, this is what I mean.
I can delve into more run of the mill plays that were successful but didn't lead to goals, and general stuff. But that goes into weeds moat aren't interested in.
Yes let's pretend a top 20 coach has no professional pride. And let's pretend he doesn't realize this adds or subtracts from his future potential. Surely, it must be the case he isn't arsed. Clearly its not as if he'd need another job after this.This has been an ongoing problem but in my view will get steadily worse as the season comes to an end as pellegrini will be moving on so apart from supposed professional pride why should he be arsed about who he plays and who he doesn't or tactics and formations for certain teams and in fact may just go through the motions till he walks out the door,a bit like some of the players...
Sagna at centre half,Clichy at left back would have offered much needed pace and not playing Delph as a fucking left winger sould have been a start dont ya think?
BuI think you make some valid points and the players have to take some responsibility......however what about Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc.... The same players and/or tactics let us down.... However Pellegrini refuses to change either !
I think you make some valid points and the players have to take some responsibility......however what about Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal etc etc.... The same players and/or tactics let us down.... However Pellegrini refuses to change either !
United have done the double of Liverpool this season. I think teams now know we have a fragile bunch out there these days who don't fancy it when the going gets tough. Play us with intensity and desire and we'll roll over like a set of bowling pins.United have got 4 points from Cheslea and Liverpool away, we will probably get 1
The manager is clearly at fault, the players look like they don't fancy it and teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, West Ham etc seem to play us like its a cup final.
The reason for 'cup final' like atmosphere is because Ciry give these sides a sniff by usually letting one(at least) daft goal in. We are then struggling to break teams down who have something to hold on to
No imagine Barcelona, Bayern etc turning up at these grounds - they'd be 2 nil up in the first 30mins and that would be that
We make hard work of already difficult fixtures, that's why we don't get results
The worrying thing is that pellegrini probably thinks the same thing. And to think you had the balls to use this as any kind of defence for the manager's tactics and then go on to tell others that they should retire from tactical analysis.Take the last game for example: High line vs Vardy. Folks fail to point out Vardy didn't score. So what's the point of whinning about something that didn't change the outcome.
Again, like most who whine about tactics, you've said nothing at all.The worrying thing is that pellegrini probably thinks the same thing. And to think you had the balls to use this as any kind of defence for the manager's tactics and then go on to tell others that they should retire from tactical analysis.
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But let's be factual here, very few are here moaning about the Delph choices. Mostly, its the tired same ol same ol. Whine about playing Yaya, whine about play MD etc.
And while I personally agree about not playing MD, I find it laughable, that some whine about playing Delph out of position at Left mid, while in the same breathe pinning for playing Sagna out of position at CB.
Talk about consistently inconsistent fans :(
Well he wouldn't have the players we currently have, but if he did, he'd play to the strengths of the players we have who are fit and available and he'd have taken away the weapons of the opposition, so:I'd like to see how Guardiola would do with the players Pellegrini had at his disposal yesterday.
yes, we'd all do things a bit differently, but the overwhelming reason for the poor performances is down to the missing players.
You clearly missed the three one-on-one saves Joe made v Vardy (the other was vs Drinkwater). Thank goodness joe is so good at them it would have been a humiliation if he wasn't good at them.Yes, I said it. Vardy's speed did not change the scoreline. Set pieces did. So why complain about the irrelevant?
Pellers always tries to play possession in the Prem but not always we don't. Or did you miss the Sevilla (A) game? You play to your strengths to the players who are fit.Worse still is the porous analysis. Leicester, counter attacks. We play possession. So by nature of the game, we will control possession. Unless folks are asking we hold the possession in our half, I really don't get the point of the whinning :?