Our owners - next move?

[bugsyblue]

Don't know what the answer is Tolm

But our transfer business over the last few seasons is leaving a lot to be desired

Fernandinho
Negredo
Navas
Demichelis
Jovetic
Mangala
Fernando
Garcia
Nastasic
Sinclair

I know we have had FFP restrictions, but the above is £150 million worth of players and not one of them has improved the first team

We are still living off the players we brought in 4 - 5 seasons ago

Hart
Zabba
Kompany
Yaya
Silva
Aguero

Those above are our first names on the teamsheet, that for me is the main concern

We have everything in place at the club, great facilities, decent directors, top chairman, top owner, great commercial deals, but how long do we have to wait before we have the management and playing staff to match the ambitions of the club

This is the crux of it! Unfortunately players we were in for but didn't get - Isco, Hazard, Sanchez - would have improved us but the second choices have not.

Whatever happens this season we need to go all out for the following:

Reus
Pogba
A world class left back

Max will cost is £100m and we should recoup £30m from negredo and other fringe players so definitely in our budget.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Start by being difficult to beat. Keep it compact. Hell just do something different in an attempt to break the pattern. It certainly cannot be worse than then this cycle of rinse and repeat and hope for the best approach.

Agree with much of what you've posted but you need to forget the above. Football managers don't suddenly change a career's worth of beliefs because of poor results. Most of them weirdly enough prefer to eventually lose their jobs. Maybe it's the arrogance you need to be a manager.

I am not convinced he is 100% in control of these decisions anyway. The powers above seem to like this gung ho style that no longer works for us.

 

[BillyShears]

Start by being difficult to beat. Keep it compact. Hell just do something different in an attempt to break the pattern. It certainly cannot be worse than then this cycle of rinse and repeat and hope for the best approach.

Agree with much of what you've posted but you need to forget the above. Football managers don't suddenly change a career's worth of beliefs because of poor results. Most of them weirdly enough prefer to eventually lose their jobs. Maybe it's the arrogance you need to be a manager.

I am not convinced he is 100% in control of these decisions anyway. The powers above seem to like this gung ho style that no longer works for us.

Don't fool yourself into thinking City is that badly run as a club. Pellegrini will rise or fall based on his tactics. He was employed because his previous teams have always played front foot attacking football. That's what he's attempting to get City to play and it largely worked last season.

If it doesn't work this season they'll need to look at what tools Pellegrini requires to make it work next season.

 

[jay-lofty]

Don't know what the answer is Tolm

But our transfer business over the last few seasons is leaving a lot to be desired

Fernandinho
Negredo
Navas
Demichelis
Jovetic
Mangala
Fernando
Garcia
Nastasic
Sinclair

I know we have had FFP restrictions, but the above is £150 million worth of players and not one of them has improved the first team

We are still living off the players we brought in 4 - 5 seasons ago

Hart
Zabba
Kompany
Yaya
Silva
Aguero

Those above are our first names on the teamsheet, that for me is the main concern

We have everything in place at the club, great facilities, decent directors, top chairman, top owner, great commercial deals, but how long do we have to wait before we have the management and playing staff to match the ambitions of the club

The vast majority of those signings were made under Txiki, perhaps its him who is also the problem?

To list all those names and say not one of them has improved the team is laughable IMO mate.

Fernandinho was one of the main reasons we won the league last season for me, he allowed Yaya to have the season he had and is by far and away an upgrade on Barry.
Where would we have been without Negredo's goals last year?
Demichelis, a slow start granted, was possibly our best defender during the run-in.
Fernando has been upset by injury but is hugely important in breaking up opposition attacks, and looks to be getting back to the form we saw before his break.
Mangala has played 4 or 5 games so far, let the lad settle before judging, and remember his debut!

Have to agree on a few of the others though, Navas doesn't bring enough to the team, Nastasic has disappeared off the face of the earth after a brilliant first season, Sinclair and Garcia were panic buys in that dreadful transfer window, and Jovetic has gone off the boil after a great start to the season and an interrupted past year.

But to say that none of them have improved the team at all is strong to say the least.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

What will our owners do? They will keep doing more of the same. When they first got into horse racing there was lots of ridicule as they had little culture in the sport and they were just laughed at for over paying for things. 10 years later and they had established themselves as respected owners of some of the best horses and facilities in the world.

They may have some big decisions to make but overall they will want a respected and steady ship that is always competing at the top. I think they have the team they want running the club, mistakes have been made there and corrected. Similarly Mancini was to abrasive and Peller’s character is much more in keeping with what they would want. Don’t expect any rash decisions.

 

[chris85mcfc]

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The vast majority of those signings were made under Txiki, perhaps its him who is also the problem?

To list all those names and say not one of them has improved the team is laughable IMO mate.

Fernandinho was one of the main reasons we won the league last season for me, he allowed Yaya to have the season he had and is by far and away an upgrade on Barry.
Where would we have been without Negredo's goals last year?
Demichelis, a slow start granted, was possibly our best defender during the run-in.
Fernando has been upset by injury but is hugely important in breaking up opposition attacks, and looks to be getting back to the form we saw before his break.
Mangala has played 4 or 5 games so far, let the lad settle before judging, and remember his debut!

Have to agree on a few of the others though, Navas doesn't bring enough to the team, Nastasic has disappeared off the face of the earth after a brilliant first season, Sinclair and Garcia were panic buys in that dreadful transfer window, and Jovetic has gone off the boil after a great start to the season and an interrupted past year.

But to say that none of them have improved the team at all is strong to say the least.

My post was mainly aiming towards how many of those players we have bought over the last few seasons have become indispensible to the team?

Not one of them

I get what you're saying, that in patches a few of them have added to the team, but we're still relying on the 'main stays' that were brought in before we first won the league

Hart, Zabba, Vinny, Yaya, Silva and Sergio. They are the first names on our teamsheet, the rest are made up of squad players who come in and out in this rotation policy, and who offer glimpses of quality in patches.

That doesn't happen at Bayern, Barca and Real and if we want to be at that level some day we need to start addressing the above.

 

[derekthedog]

i am sure the next summer transfer window we will buy quality, if they are available.
utd spunked £200 this year , and a £58 million player on loan.
would any of them get in our side?
mata - no , falcao-no, blind -no, rojo- no, hererra - no,
shaw maybe , but not over kolorov.
de maria £60 million ?

we need top players , but sadly they are not for sale.
barkley ,reus maybe , pogba i think not.
who could we buy who is better than what we have?

good post tolm by the way.
any idea what we can spend next year?

 

[bugsyblue]

i am sure the next summer transfer window we will buy quality, if they are available.
utd spunked £200 this year , and a £58 million player on loan.
would any of them get in our side?
mata - no , falcao-no, blind -no, rojo- no, hererra - no,
shaw maybe , but not over kolorov.
de maria £60 million ?

we need top players , but sadly they are not for sale.
barkley ,reus maybe , pogba i think not.
who could we buy who is better than what we have?

good post tolm by the way.
any idea what we can spend next year?

Di Maria would definitely get in our side. As would falcao, take him over Dzeko any day when he's fit.

 

[supercity88]

I think the idea is to qualify for the latter stages of the CL and buy a world class player to then perform in the competition the next season. I worry that by sacking off UEFA's rules we then restrict who we can purchase. It is dangerous to go back to spending huge sums on certain players - it puts too much power in the player's hands as opposed to performance related pay.

Is Pellegrini the right man... yes. Who else is there? For me there is only one manager who I would have and that is Ancelotti. We've had promising managers and we've had someone in Mancini who had won things but we need a CL winning manager who has been there and done it. We can't get Mourinho. Guardiola? Yes but I can't see us getting him. Klopp? Hasn't done it consistently and Simeone the same. Getting either of those last two would be akin to our move for Pellegrini. Promising but unproven.

We need to buy a world class player. Or two. We are surviving off our core of players bought several seasons ago. We've bought players like Clichy, Sagna, Fernando, Navas, Jovetic who have all done little to nothing for their club sides. If you are Real Madrid or Bayern you spend big in every position on quality. Top quality. We have settled on potential options instead. This summer we need to spend big and change things.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

i am sure the next summer transfer window we will buy quality, if they are available.
utd spunked £200 this year , and a £58 million player on loan.
would any of them get in our side?
mata - no , falcao-no, blind -no, rojo- no, hererra - no,
shaw maybe , but not over kolorov.
de maria £60 million ?

we need top players , but sadly they are not for sale.
barkley ,reus maybe , pogba i think not.
who could we buy who is better than what we have?

good post tolm by the way.
any idea what we can spend next year?

I think you are seriously overdoing the skills of Kolorov in that comparison. He has been as crap this year as he was for the two before his one decent season last year.