Our owners - next move?

[MeatHunterrr]

rather than spunking £350m into real Madrid maybe sheikh Mansour should invest it on our team?!?

Fuck me. City is nothing but PR exercise for Abu Dhabi. He has MANY MANY more priorities before City. Real Madrid investment gives them loads of publicity.

 

[moomba]

rather than spunking £350m into real Madrid maybe sheikh Mansour should invest it on our team?!?

Fucking hell.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Whilst everything is rosey off the pitch, we're going round in circles on it

Who knows what the answer is, certainly none of us do, but im fairly confident that unless something changes in the next 48 hours, we will be in the same position at 7.20pm on Saturday

 

[richards30]

rather than spunking £350m into real Madrid maybe sheikh Mansour should invest it on our team?!?

Fuck me. City is nothing but PR exercise for Abu Dhabi. He has MANY MANY more priorities before City. Real Madrid investment gives them loads of publicity.

whoooooooosssssshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

With regards to the Manager would you not agree that Pellers was always a stop gap until we got Pep?

That was my impression anyway

 

[George Hannah]

I think most blues would accept the trade-off being expelled from Champions League football for a year if the result is a couple of hundred million (and that's what it will take) to set a City team up for the next five-year cycle.

 

[adrianr]

Good post but the question of whether Pellegrini is the right man to rebuild the squad is the wrong one, given that it should be Txiki who is in charge of that anyway, the whole point being we're not tied to a certain set of players only working under a certain manager.

It's also another reason people shouldn't be so quick to criticise Pellegrini or Mancini, the latter as you rightly point out knew this team still needed huge investment to make proper inroads in Europe. Say what you like about what a nasty man he was, he bloody well knew his football. Pellegrini may be happier to get on with what he's been given, but also as you say, shouldn't be made the patsy for sub-par players incapable or unwilling to play like professional footballers.

That in mind,

1) I was under the impression given our new financial standing that this would no longer be an issue. We should be able to spend plenty to fix the squad without pissing everyone off, but ultimate if the choice is a world class football team or delaying UEFA coming up with a new arbitrary set of rules to punish us by, I'd suggest the former is the way to go.

2) Of course. The coaches you could say are a definitive cut above Pellegrini you can count on one hand - The man contrary to more recent belief is not an idiot. I'd love to see Pep here, just to see if the forum would still demand him out at the first sign of trouble, because rest assured no-one is going to come in and win everything all the time. There's a niggling worry that in Mancini and Pellegrini we've still never had a 'Tier 1' manager like Pep or Ancelotti, but even they will fall foul if they're given players who won't try. They're football managers, not miracle workers.

3) They have to decide who's opinion is more important, the establishment or the public. Because in trying to appease the establishment you can be damn sure we're the European laughing stock of the public. People were talking before our group how it was daft that the English champions were in with the German champions, and yet here we are on course to finish bottom of the group again, all because we tried to keep a few wannabe dictators happy by slipping over the draw bridge before it was raised. We should have been pushing for proper fairness from the start, not hoping they would let us into the gang and we could stick two fingers up to everyone else.

I feel much saner and much better reading posts like this.

Good to see in amongst the usual knee jerk crap there's a lot of well thought out and rational responses to what the future holds and requires.

On point 3, there's something which I think we cannot ignore. Look at what simply having Lampard play a few games did for our media coverage. The post Chelsea love in was unbelievable. It's my firm belief that to win hearts and minds, we need the next crop of ENGLISH talent in our squad. It's a reality which United and Chelsea have been aware of and very good at for a decade know. Understanding that that English core helps shape the narrative. We really need that. Barkley, Clyne, Ward Prose, even Rodriquez. All of them I'd take in a heartbeat and let Toure, Sagna, Jovetic, and Navas go.

Bayern do it with German players. Barca/Madrid with Spanish players. We let Luke Shaw go to the rags, Chambers to Arsenal. We need to look at this.

I've mentioned the English player problem plenty in the past - Unfortunately it seems difficult to discuss that as a genuine issue without replies like St Helens Blue, or people screaming about how they don't care what nationality they are as long as they play for City.

True to a point, and I don't think by fielding a team of English players we'll suddenly win the league with games to spare and conquer Europe, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that as you point out, the best German teams are full of Germans, the best Spanish teams are full of Spaniards, and the long term success of the rags (spit) was built on cores of English players. Might be worth taking a minute to consider two of our most committed players in Kompany and Zab are fully integrated into mancunian life; They're not just visiting. Sometimes to get you over that final hurdle you need a little more than skill or tactics - Why do you think the military make such a big deal of fighting for your country? You need to give players a reason larger than themselves to win things as a collective, and it's something with such a fragmented group I don't think we have.

 

[Citizen in Pakistan]

Incredible thread,if it was just a pr exercise for Abu dhabi than they would have never invested so heavily on the academy
As per ffp were better of taking ffp to court rather than over spending or breaking the rules,as thode who brought ffp will be ready to gang up against us but that being said we won't have ffp to deal with in future
And we need to and we will be over hauling the squad by next season,it sucks to be at the losing end of games but we have to remain hopeful for the future as we have plenty of reasons to be
Sometimes bm makes matter worse after a bad result

I hate to tell you it is 100% a PR exercise for Abu dhabi and having the world best academy and showing the world that they can replicate Barcelona and nurture the best young players in the world to build a long term dynasty is absolutely key to that!!!!!! This is all about positioning Abu dhabi across the world as a centre of long term excellence to encourage investment, it is to help open doors, it is to facilitate Emirati business etc

Throwing big bucks for short term success is almost the antithesis of the strategy but that said so is short term failure.

I would have bought the pr argument mate had our owners refused to invest in New players given the option,we had budget restrictions and we were crying for a cb and a holding midfielder before the season started and we got both of them ,now everybody is not aguero that they ll start performing from the word go,players need time to adjust in England,and both Mangala and Fernando will come good eventualy
And we can only improve the squad once we won't have ffp to deal with considering the inflated market

 

[blue banks]

Good post but the question of whether Pellegrini is the right man to rebuild the squad is the wrong one, given that it should be Txiki who is in charge of that anyway, the whole point being we're not tied to a certain set of players only working under a certain manager.

It's also another reason people shouldn't be so quick to criticise Pellegrini or Mancini, the latter as you rightly point out knew this team still needed huge investment to make proper inroads in Europe. Say what you like about what a nasty man he was, he bloody well knew his football. Pellegrini may be happier to get on with what he's been given, but also as you say, shouldn't be made the patsy for sub-par players incapable or unwilling to play like professional footballers.

That in mind,

1) I was under the impression given our new financial standing that this would no longer be an issue. We should be able to spend plenty to fix the squad without pissing everyone off, but ultimate if the choice is a world class football team or delaying UEFA coming up with a new arbitrary set of rules to punish us by, I'd suggest the former is the way to go.

2) Of course. The coaches you could say are a definitive cut above Pellegrini you can count on one hand - The man contrary to more recent belief is not an idiot. I'd love to see Pep here, just to see if the forum would still demand him out at the first sign of trouble, because rest assured no-one is going to come in and win everything all the time. There's a niggling worry that in Mancini and Pellegrini we've still never had a 'Tier 1' manager like Pep or Ancelotti, but even they will fall foul if they're given players who won't try. They're football managers, not miracle workers.

3) They have to decide who's opinion is more important, the establishment or the public. Because in trying to appease the establishment you can be damn sure we're the European laughing stock of the public. People were talking before our group how it was daft that the English champions were in with the German champions, and yet here we are on course to finish bottom of the group again, all because we tried to keep a few wannabe dictators happy by slipping over the draw bridge before it was raised. We should have been pushing for proper fairness from the start, not hoping they would let us into the gang and we could stick two fingers up to everyone else.

I feel much saner and much better reading posts like this.

Good to see in amongst the usual knee jerk crap there's a lot of well thought out and rational responses to what the future holds and requires.

On point 3, there's something which I think we cannot ignore. Look at what simply having Lampard play a few games did for our media coverage. The post Chelsea love in was unbelievable. It's my firm belief that to win hearts and minds, we need the next crop of ENGLISH talent in our squad. It's a reality which United and Chelsea have been aware of and very good at for a decade know. Understanding that that English core helps shape the narrative. We really need that. Barkley, Clyne, Ward Prose, even Rodriquez. All of them I'd take in a heartbeat and let Toure, Sagna, Jovetic, and Navas go.

Bayern do it with German players. Barca/Madrid with Spanish players. We let Luke Shaw go to the rags, Chambers to Arsenal. We need to look at this.

I've mentioned the English player problem plenty in the past - Unfortunately it seems difficult to discuss that as a genuine issue without replies like St Helens Blue, or people screaming about how they don't care what nationality they are as long as they play for City.

True to a point, and I don't think by fielding a team of English players we'll suddenly win the league with games to spare and conquer Europe, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that as you point out, the best German teams are full of Germans, the best Spanish teams are full of Spaniards, and the long term success of the rags (spit) was built on cores of English players. Might be worth taking a minute to consider two of our most committed players in Kompany and Zab are fully integrated into mancunian life; They're not just visiting. Sometimes to get you over that final hurdle you need a little more than skill or tactics - Why do you think the military make such a big deal of fighting for your country? You need to give players a reason larger than themselves to win things as a collective, and it's something with such a fragmented group I don't think we have.

+1

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Good post but the question of whether Pellegrini is the right man to rebuild the squad is the wrong one, given that it should be Txiki who is in charge of that anyway, the whole point being we're not tied to a certain set of players only working under a certain manager.

It's also another reason people shouldn't be so quick to criticise Pellegrini or Mancini, the latter as you rightly point out knew this team still needed huge investment to make proper inroads in Europe. Say what you like about what a nasty man he was, he bloody well knew his football. Pellegrini may be happier to get on with what he's been given, but also as you say, shouldn't be made the patsy for sub-par players incapable or unwilling to play like professional footballers.

That in mind,

1) I was under the impression given our new financial standing that this would no longer be an issue. We should be able to spend plenty to fix the squad without pissing everyone off, but ultimate if the choice is a world class football team or delaying UEFA coming up with a new arbitrary set of rules to punish us by, I'd suggest the former is the way to go.

2) Of course. The coaches you could say are a definitive cut above Pellegrini you can count on one hand - The man contrary to more recent belief is not an idiot. I'd love to see Pep here, just to see if the forum would still demand him out at the first sign of trouble, because rest assured no-one is going to come in and win everything all the time. There's a niggling worry that in Mancini and Pellegrini we've still never had a 'Tier 1' manager like Pep or Ancelotti, but even they will fall foul if they're given players who won't try. They're football managers, not miracle workers.

3) They have to decide who's opinion is more important, the establishment or the public. Because in trying to appease the establishment you can be damn sure we're the European laughing stock of the public. People were talking before our group how it was daft that the English champions were in with the German champions, and yet here we are on course to finish bottom of the group again, all because we tried to keep a few wannabe dictators happy by slipping over the draw bridge before it was raised. We should have been pushing for proper fairness from the start, not hoping they would let us into the gang and we could stick two fingers up to everyone else.

I feel much saner and much better reading posts like this.

Good to see in amongst the usual knee jerk crap there's a lot of well thought out and rational responses to what the future holds and requires.

On point 3, there's something which I think we cannot ignore. Look at what simply having Lampard play a few games did for our media coverage. The post Chelsea love in was unbelievable. It's my firm belief that to win hearts and minds, we need the next crop of ENGLISH talent in our squad. It's a reality which United and Chelsea have been aware of and very good at for a decade know. Understanding that that English core helps shape the narrative. We really need that. Barkley, Clyne, Ward Prose, even Rodriquez. All of them I'd take in a heartbeat and let Toure, Sagna, Jovetic, and Navas go.

Bayern do it with German players. Barca/Madrid with Spanish players. We let Luke Shaw go to the rags, Chambers to Arsenal. We need to look at this.

I've mentioned the English player problem plenty in the past - Unfortunately it seems difficult to discuss that as a genuine issue without replies like St Helens Blue, or people screaming about how they don't care what nationality they are as long as they play for City.

True to a point, and I don't think by fielding a team of English players we'll suddenly win the league with games to spare and conquer Europe, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that as you point out, the best German teams are full of Germans, the best Spanish teams are full of Spaniards, and the long term success of the rags (spit) was built on cores of English players. Might be worth taking a minute to consider two of our most committed players in Kompany and Zab are fully integrated into mancunian life; They're not just visiting. Sometimes to get you over that final hurdle you need a little more than skill or tactics - Why do you think the military make such a big deal of fighting for your country? You need to give players a reason larger than themselves to win things as a collective, and it's something with such a fragmented group I don't think we have.

Keep having sensible discussion and ignore the fucking trolls, that's my advice mate.