P & O

Blue Mist said:
It's fuckball to do with brexit. This is where a strong trade union comes into its own. Further, people need to be telling P&O they will not use there services.
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Flirted off two pretty scathing mails this afternoon....they will be under no illusion where my sentiments lie. Prob make zero difference but fucking 'm anyway.
 
bluefish said:
Flirted off two pretty scathing mails this afternoon....they will be under no illusion where my sentiments lie. Prob make zero difference but fucking 'm anyway.
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I did the same told them I will be using an alternative ferry company.
OK I am not planning to go anywhere but they don't know that !
They are bastards to do it this way.
 
Blue Mist said:
I did the same told them I will be using an alternative ferry company.
OK I am not planning to go anywhere but they don't know that !
They are bastards to do it this way.
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I've been using the Eurotunnel since 1997. We got there early one time, straight onto the next "flight", and driving in France 40 minutes later!
Like garlic bread, it's the future.
 
hilts said:
What we need is a govt that can give companies huge fines on top of the above to either prevent this from happening or dish the fine out to the staff.

This falls on govts because you can’t expect companies not to be cunts, they will always be all about the bottom line.

I believe they have been offered enhanced redundancy if they sign by the 31st March. Twats.
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Hilts. Yes the old enhanced redundancy payment with Compromise Agreement routine.
in a better more equitable world, Ministers would insist on seeing the P&O cost case and force the company to enhance the severance payments with a proportion of these savings.
Nothing of the sort will happen of course. It’s a modern disgrace. Imagine the situation worsening if the government meets its stated aim of removing / eroding some of the existing employment protections.
Rich get richer, poor get what on. ‘‘Twas ever thus.
 
crazyg said:
..........redundancy was when the job (or office) was lost The job has gone, not to be replaced. ...........
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This is correct redundancy relates to the position and not the individual.

Unfortunately P&O will have taken a risk assessment and have been told to take this action. Yes it will cost them in the short term, but they are hoping there will be minimal service disruption. If they had followed the proper procedure staff would go sick, leave and the business would be at risk. P&O have taken the shithouse option with no duty of care to the staff.

As for a TUPE this is not the scenario - this is where another company takes over the operation including the staff. In this instance P&O are still the operator, they are just sourcing staff from an agency instead of direct employment.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Just watched another faux anger performance at the Despatch Box by a Govt Minister - angry at a firm that is simply implementing employment tricks that the Govt support and refused to block.

And if you wonder why they get away with it then read this and see how intertwined DP World are with the Tory election promises

www.rmt.org.uk

DP Worlds concerns

Maritime Union RMT to raise concerns with Government that DP World have been awarded Freeport contract despite not paying agreed pension deficit contributions.
www.rmt.org.uk
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They’ve reflagged all their vessels to Cyprus for tax purposes and are owned by DP world so, presumably, can just ignore UK employment laws? You’d hope they’d be covered by EU employment law but seemingly not?
 
BrianW said:
The Daily Mail has about 1000 comments under the article about this. Reading those comments make you realise what callous twats many of our fellow citizens are - and how thick. Quite an education, in its way.
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I had a quick look after you posted and they’re already ‘blaming the unions’. I despair of this country sometimes (often actually)..
 
crazyg said:
I've been using the Eurotunnel since 1997. We got there early one time, straight onto the next "flight", and driving in France 40 minutes later!
Like garlic bread, it's the future.
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When I did France regularly I always used it but P&O don't need to know that.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
They’ve reflagged all their vessels to Cyprus for tax purposes and are owned by DP world so, presumably, can just ignore UK employment laws? You’d hope they’d be covered by EU employment law but seemingly not?
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Weetabix out Peterborough way have recently done the same thing. I’m disgusted tbh. Seems it is legal.
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
Hilts. What they have done is illegal and when the cases come to tribunal they will have to pay compensation. The compensation will include notice pay, stat redundancy pay and a figure for failing to consult properly.
In the meantime the company take in cheaper labour (pay and conditions) and probably bank the likely compensation bill in a matter of months.
Given the pandemic, rise in living costs etc this is a complete cunts trick.
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Not according a lawyer on the BBC site.

"The approach adopted by P&O is not unheard of, but it is exceptional to forego appropriate notice and consultation processes," said Nathan Donaldson, employment solicitor at Keystone Law.
He said a government review of firing and rehiring in November 2021 did not outlaw the practice but emphasised "that it should be a process of last resort".
 
Xhavenjoe said:
Didn't realise they were owned by a Dubai company.
Claim to be losing 100m per year.
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The ships weren't losing 100 million a year whatever they say as I used to work for them. My last year was 2016 when I took early retirement and they made a healthy profit as I got a profit share. Like all companies they would have lost money in the pandemic, although most staff were on government furlough and they were full of freight every trip. The bastards have wanted cheap foreign,/agency crew onboard for years and without getting into a Brexit debate this has aided them. Why? Well the French would never have allowed foreign crews on the channel, even on British ships as they knew it would be them next.

They have two brand new double ended ferries coming on the Dover/Calais route next year to pay for. This is a pure profit exercise to make more for the people at the top and shareholders at the expense of the poor buggers doing the actual graft. They have history, I was on strike with them for 16 months in 1988. Scum then, scum now.
 
Redundancy is only applicable when the role cease to exist or there is significant enough change for it to be considered a new role.

I would have thought as the job is now outsourced to a 3rd party that TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment)) would apply and their contracts protected. I'd consider what they have done illegal in that case.

What's equally upsetting is that apparently they applied for a government grant during lockdown. If I were the government then I'd be making them pay it back.
 
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