P & O

HolisticJim said:
Redundancy is only applicable when the role cease to exist or there is significant enough change for it to be considered a new role.

I would have thought as the job is now outsourced to a 3rd party that TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment)) would apply and their contracts protected. I'd consider what they have done illegal in that case.

What's equally upsetting is that apparently they applied for a government grant during lockdown. If I were the government then I'd be making them pay it back.
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Not sure they got any governmental assistance though.
 
Absolute twats. Only applies to UK staff as well, apparently. Calais media, say French staff not being laid off and quoting P&O chief saying sackings aimed at reducing staff costs by 50%.
 
HolisticJim said:
Redundancy is only applicable when the role cease to exist or there is significant enough change for it to be considered a new role.

I would have thought as the job is now outsourced to a 3rd party that TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment)) would apply and their contracts protected. I'd consider what they have done illegal in that case.

What's equally upsetting is that apparently they applied for a government grant during lockdown. If I were the government then I'd be making them pay it back.
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They're shameless mate always have been. As a company they've been doing this for years. As the British crew walked down the gangways foreign crew were waiting and within minutes walked onboard. I've got lots of friends still working there. There is a rumour they've been offered their jobs back but on the new terms and conditions, which of course are far inferior to their old ones. They have broken every promise and undertaking they committed to with the unions and just ignored them. It is an absolute disgrace but nothing will be done.
 
BobKowalski said:
Absolute twats. Only applies to UK staff as well, apparently. Calais media, say French staff not being laid off and quoting P&O chief saying sackings aimed at reducing staff costs by 50%.
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They fucking darent touch the French staff they'd be murder literally.
 
The captains should set sail and take the ferries to a port not used by P&O anchor down and keep them out of reach of being used for a few days/weeks.

Or simply scuttle the fuckers
 
just a skirmish, the main wave is approaching the coast, big party in No 10, already captured the NHS, energy profits through the roof, housing/rent costs soaring, project fear proving all too accurate....
 
This seems to have come totally out of the blue but I've seen a few people mentioning agency workers sat in minibus' waiting to get onto the boat after the staff got off so, and this is a genuine question, how the hell have they managed to advertise, recruit and vet several hundred people for these jobs with nobody noticing?
 
Bluemoon dan said:
This seems to have come totally out of the blue but I've seen a few people mentioning agency workers sat in minibus' waiting to get onto the boat after the staff got off so, and this is a genuine question, how the hell have they managed to advertise, recruit and vet several hundred people for these jobs with nobody noticing?
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You don't. You get an agency to do it.

"Hello, reliable but cheap seaman agency."
"Hi. Can you arrange 200 people to start on zero hours contracts and minimum wage in a few weeks?"
"Sure. Who shall I bill?"
"DP World."
"Righto."
 
Bluemoon dan said:
This seems to have come totally out of the blue but I've seen a few people mentioning agency workers sat in minibus' waiting to get onto the boat after the staff got off so, and this is a genuine question, how the hell have they managed to advertise, recruit and vet several hundred people for these jobs with nobody noticing?
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very few UK journalists read the Columbian sits vac columns if any at all
 
BimboBob said:
You don't. You get an agency to do it.

"Hello, reliable but cheap seaman agency."
"Hi. Can you arrange 200 people to start on zero hours contracts and minimum wage in a few weeks?"
"Sure. Who shall I bill?"
"DP World."
"Righto."
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But even with an agency, these jobs aren't going to be, with the greatest of respect, bog standard labouring roles that anyone who walks in off the street could do tomorrow, a lot of these would be skilled roles requiring qualifications and training. And any agency suddenly starting to do a mass recruitment drive for several hundred people in the same industry is at the very least going to get a bit of attention and start rumours.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Not according a lawyer on the BBC site.

"The approach adopted by P&O is not unheard of, but it is exceptional to forego appropriate notice and consultation processes," said Nathan Donaldson, employment solicitor at Keystone Law.
He said a government review of firing and rehiring in November 2021 did not outlaw the practice but emphasised "that it should be a process of last resort".
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DLB

Thanks. I’m now retired and two years out of this type of shitshow which I had occasionally encountered. I hadn’t picked up on the November 21 ruling. I guess we will see what transpires but I can’t see how it can be argued that it’s ‘last resort‘ if the company has failed completely to consult and look for any other alternative way under the sun to mitigate the effects of the lay-offs.
it does look like the Union as well as the poor employees were ambushed.
 
Bluemoon dan said:
This seems to have come totally out of the blue but I've seen a few people mentioning agency workers sat in minibus' waiting to get onto the boat after the staff got off so, and this is a genuine question, how the hell have they managed to advertise, recruit and vet several hundred people for these jobs with nobody noticing?
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Due to the decline of the merchant fleet, training facilities and seaman they've had to recruit foreign seaman to beef up the crew. In my last year I sailed with Polish Latvian and Russian crew. These were supplied by an agency called seamariners. They will have recruited them in the country of origin and if they didn't have the basic certification required ensured they did. This would be a personal sea survival course which can be done in a couple of days. Dry and wet drill. Of course they will require some more highly trained in fire fighting, marinark evacuation and proficiency in survival craft. Every ship has to have a minimum number of certified crew to sail. After a week or more of inductions and ships familiarisation and drills every ship and crew will have to pass a number of drills and tests under the scrutiny of the MCA before being given a certificate to sail.
 
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One of the crew has told me the paperwork they have been given is called "Dismissal Documentation" that could be crucial. It's not redundancy if they're calling it dismissal I think?
 
They have left themselves open if they have got rid of all UK staff and kept French on. There could be an unlimited pay-out at a tribunal due to discrimination, rather than the 1 year's salary they have built into their worst case model.

I know it is not a simple as that, but they have given away a few aces to the employees, got them selves in an undefendable position, and will probably pay out a fortune at arbitration.
 
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