Paedo murdered by vigilante mob

[BingoBango]

I agree. But my point about dickheads voting labour remains

the criminal justice system is entirely seperate from whichever party is in power.

PMSL

What about the 42 days detention law?

You mean the one that was defeated in Parliament? (Thankfully).

Governments make the laws and set out the framework, the legal system applies them to varying degrees. Nothing different here.

 

[shaundickov]

I agree. But my point about dickheads voting labour remains

the criminal justice system is entirely seperate from whichever party is in power.

PMSL

What about the 42 days detention law?

You mean the one that was defeated in Parliament? (Thankfully).

Governments make the laws and set out the framework, the legal system applies them to varying degrees. Nothing different here.

Back up. You just agreed with the bloke who said the criminal justice system is completely separate from the political system.

If the Government creates the laws and sets out the framework, then how can the criminal justice system be separated from politics?

 

[BingoBango]

If the Government creates the laws and sets out the framework, then how can the criminal justice system be separated from politics?

Because politicans do not apply the laws. If they did, then we would have a politically-manipulated legal system, which would be appalling.

The legal system is independent of politicans once the laws are passed. It's not hard to grasp.

 

[stonerblue]

I agree. But my point about dickheads voting labour remains

the criminal justice system is entirely seperate from whichever party is in power.

PMSL

What about the 42 days detention law?

You mean the bill that the government wanted but didn't get past the cross-party House of Lords. That one?

 

[shaundickov]

If the Government creates the laws and sets out the framework, then how can the criminal justice system be separated from politics?

Because politicans do not apply the laws. If they did, then we would have a politically-manipulated legal system, which would be appalling.

The legal system is independent of politicans once the laws are passed. It's not hard to grasp.

I think Dominic Green would disagree with you.

In any case, this is irrelevant to my original point, that people who vote Labour are ultimately voting for lax sentences for criminals. Labour is a left wing party, and 'soft on crime' is a left wing mantra. Labour are responsible for setting guidelines for judges that are too soft, and also for furnishing prisons with playstations, dvd players, plasmas etc for 'human rights' (read 'criminal rights') reasons.

Actually the above is more decisions taken by European politicians, who now set around 70% of our rules and regulations. But because Labour agrees with it, they've gone back on their promise to hold a referendum to see what WE WANT.

Vote for a party who is tough on crime, and they will introduce laws that forbid a paedo rapist from being released from prison after just 4 months.

 

[BingoBango]

I think Dominic Green would disagree with you.

In any case, this is irrelevant to my original point, that people who vote Labour are ultimately voting for lax sentences for criminals. Labour is a left wing party, and 'soft on crime' is a left wing mantra. Labour are responsible for setting guidelines for judges that are too soft, and also for furnishing prisons with playstations, dvd players, plasmas etc for 'human rights' (read 'criminal rights') reasons.

Actually the above is more decisions taken by European politicians, who now set around 70% of our rules and regulations. But because Labour agrees with it, they've gone back on their promise to hold a referendum to see what WE WANT.

Vote for a party who is tough on crime, and they will introduce laws that forbid a paedo rapist from being released from prison after just 4 months.

Serious question: have you ever visited a prison? The idea that these places are soft and full of comforts is ludicrous. They are soulless, joyless, miserable places. Go on a visit, or read a few of the reports on the Prison Inspectorate website.

And the prison population now is currently higher than ever, with prisoners serving longer terms than ever. We're locking more people up for longer and longer. Hardly liberal when it comes to crime.

 

[stonerblue]

If the Government creates the laws and sets out the framework, then how can the criminal justice system be separated from politics?

Because politicans do not apply the laws. If they did, then we would have a politically-manipulated legal system, which would be appalling.

The legal system is independent of politicans once the laws are passed. It's not hard to grasp.

I think Dominic Green would disagree with you.

In any case, this is irrelevant to my original point, that people who vote Labour are ultimately voting for lax sentences for criminals. Labour is a left wing party, and 'soft on crime' is a left wing mantra. Labour are responsible for setting guidelines for judges that are too soft, and also for furnishing prisons with playstations, dvd players, plasmas etc for 'human rights' (read 'criminal rights') reasons.

Actually the above is more decisions taken by European politicians, who now set around 70% of our rules and regulations. But because Labour agrees with it, they've gone back on their promise to hold a referendum to see what WE WANT.

Vote for a party who is tough on crime, and they will introduce laws that forbid a paedo rapist from being released from prison after just 4 months.

No they won't. They can introduce bills in an attempt to change the law BUT, they still have to go past the law lords. The laws of the land are not implemented by the government of the time.

Personally, i'd lock-up anyone convicted of sexual crimes against children up for a very long time

 

[total ringo]

I regret even reading this thread. Experience of checking out emotive titles like this has shown me that it simply isnt suitable for a Bluemoon debate. I've accepted that some subjects arent meant for this forum because you cant have an intelligent debate when some posters just arent up to it intellectually.
From now on if the thread doesnt include tits or crisps I'm swerving it. My nervous system cant take it.