Pakistan bans Facebook over 'Draw Muhammad Day'

ElanJo said:
eagle said:
Another one of your usual rants against one group or another. Who cares what you believe is acceptable behaviour or not. Your "Wank Chamber" description is apt and tells us as much as is needed to know about the author of this thread. Hopefully when ticket prices go up the more moronic element will be priced out of attending.

My post wasn't a rant, but ,yes, I will rant against those who murder people and attack free speech. Join me, will you!?

As for your statment about my location description, well, what can I say? you're obviously a moron.

If you are not slagging of muslims, you are having a go at catholics, if not them then it is gay people.

Who needs your approval when you are obviously the type of person you move away from on a train when they sit next to you and try to engage you. I could imagine you at a dinner party embarrassing everyone with your rants.
 
Is there a reason you lot are bickering??

I just think that it's churlish to have a reason why it's okay to have a 'trade off' when it comes to offending people.

Fine, some Muslims are extreme in their beliefs (as are any other bunch of people for any amount of things they believe in), but it shouldn't give credence to the belief that "it's okay, they're doing killing and sh*t, so we'll carry on offending" as some sort of acceptance.

It's not acceptable, nor is murder and in this case the purpose offending and murder are close bedfellows.
 
eagle said:
ElanJo said:
My post wasn't a rant, but ,yes, I will rant against those who murder people and attack free speech. Join me, will you!?

As for your statment about my location description, well, what can I say? you're obviously a moron.

If you are not slagging of muslims, you are having a go at catholics, if not them then it is gay people.

Who needs your approval when you are obviously the type of person you move away from on a train when they sit next to you and try to engage you. I could imagine you at a dinner party embarrassing everyone with your rants.

Excuse me? I don't have a problem with gay people, you prat.

Also just because I have a problem with irrational belief and harmful actions it doesn't mean that I have a problem with all Muslims or all Catholics.

And since when did I say people need my approval?

How about, if you're going to reply to me, you step down from imagination land and actually reply to what I post? Either do that or go and bother someone else.
 
ElanJo said:
eagle said:
If you are not slagging of muslims, you are having a go at catholics, if not them then it is gay people.

Who needs your approval when you are obviously the type of person you move away from on a train when they sit next to you and try to engage you. I could imagine you at a dinner party embarrassing everyone with your rants.

Excuse me? I don't have a problem with gay people, you prat.

Also just because I have a problem with irrational belief and harmful actions it doesn't mean that I have a problem with all Muslims or all Catholics.

And since when did I say people need my approval?

How about, if you're going to reply to me, you step down from imagination land and actually reply to what I post? Either do that or go and bother someone else.

Like I said, if you were sat next to me on a train I would make my excuse and move. I will leave you to your antagonist threads and wank chambers.
 
Bigga said:
Is there a reason you lot are bickering??

I just think that it's churlish to have a reason why it's okay to have a 'trade off' when it comes to offending people.

Fine, some Muslims are extreme in their beliefs (as are any other bunch of people for any amount of things they believe in), but it shouldn't give credence to the belief that "it's okay, they're doing killing and sh*t, so we'll carry on offending" as some sort of acceptance.

It's not acceptable, nor is murder and in this case the purpose offending and murder are close bedfellows.

Yes, there is. Eagle has reading comprehension difficulties.

The Draw Muhammad thing is not how you describe it. It's purpose is that of standing up for free speech. People shouldn't be coerced into censorship through death threats and murder.<br /><br />-- Thu May 20, 2010 5:59 pm --<br /><br />
eagle said:
ElanJo said:
Excuse me? I don't have a problem with gay people, you prat.

Also just because I have a problem with irrational belief and harmful actions it doesn't mean that I have a problem with all Muslims or all Catholics.

And since when did I say people need my approval?

How about, if you're going to reply to me, you step down from imagination land and actually reply to what I post? Either do that or go and bother someone else.

Like I said, if you were sat next to me on a train I would make my excuse and move. I will leave you to your antagonist threads and wank chambers.

False accusations, ad hominems, ignoring of questions and strawmanning. Hmmm, something tells me that the prospect of not sitting next to you is quite appealing.
 
ElanJo said:
Bigga said:
Is there a reason you lot are bickering??

I just think that it's churlish to have a reason why it's okay to have a 'trade off' when it comes to offending people.

Fine, some Muslims are extreme in their beliefs (as are any other bunch of people for any amount of things they believe in), but it shouldn't give credence to the belief that "it's okay, they're doing killing and sh*t, so we'll carry on offending" as some sort of acceptance.

It's not acceptable, nor is murder and in this case the purpose offending and murder are close bedfellows.

Yes, there is. Eagle has reading comprehension difficulties.

The Draw Muhammad thing is not how you describe it. It's purpose is that of standing up for free speech. People shouldn't be coerced into censorship through death threats and murder.

Agreed.

But, nor should people trample over others' feelings and religion in the name of 'free speech'.

It is the worst kind of cop out. Mutual respect would solve many of today's problems, religion-wise.
 
Bigga said:
ElanJo said:
Yes, there is. Eagle has reading comprehension difficulties.

The Draw Muhammad thing is not how you describe it. It's purpose is that of standing up for free speech. People shouldn't be coerced into censorship through death threats and murder.

Agreed.

But, nor should people trample over others' feelings and religion in the name of 'free speech'.

It is the worst kind of cop out. Mutual respect would solve many of today's problems, religion-wise.

Not quite the same thing. Free Speech is a right (and one taken for granted). People don't have the right to not have their feelings hurt.

Whilst I sympathise with the more decent Muslims (note that I haven't drawn Muhammad myself) this Draw Muhammad day wouldn't have begun if Islam had gotten it's own house in order. They have allowed this to fester without so much of a peep. It wasn't the Muslim populations who tamed Christianity over here it was tamed by ourseleves (ie. people from within majority Christian populations).
 
ElanJo said:
Not quite the same thing. Free Speech is a right (and one taken for granted). People don't have the right to not have their feelings hurt.

Whilst I sympathise with the more decent Muslims (note that I haven't drawn Muhammad myself) this Draw Muhammad day wouldn't have begun if Islam had gotten it's own house in order. They have allowed this to fester without so much of a peep. It wasn't the Muslim populations who tamed Christianity over here it was tamed by ourseleves (ie. people from within majority Christian populations).

Look, I know you never seem to want to agree, so I'll put it this way...

If you know I'd be offended and angry if you called me a n****r, why would you do so just to underline your right to 'free speech'?

You know you'd be heading for a thumping, but would push the button anyway?

Not making much sense to me.

This is why I see that respect is much more important than free speech. That would earn mutual respect and the likelihood of enduring peace between us.
 

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