Palestine Action

I thought I was in tune with British values, but today he's suggested student protests against the genocide would be un-British considering it's the anniversary of the Hamas attack on Israel. I would agree with him usually, but apparently it's not un-British to fund genocide. I think one might be worse than the other.
His whole motivation appears to be stop protests they make me look bad and suck up to Trump. Amazing how quickly its turned into survival mode . The large majority was built on sand. With the Tories disappearing at an alarming rate this is a waste of an opportunity.
 
As I said, from personal experience of the probably 15-20 Palestine supporters I know personally, not one of them cared to post anything last week. Yet they do around Palestine daily. I also said that isn't generalising everybody, I just find that behaviour odd.


I am not stupid and understand the difference, the point was about people only caring about deaths that suit their narrative. That was all.
This argument can apply to many different things that are happening around the world and not just to this topic
 
This argument can apply to many different things that are happening around the world and not just to this topic
It can but they also cannot see their double standards and lack of empathy unless it suits.
 
I have 55 freinds , not one of them care about the child starvation and genocide in Gaza but they are all devastated by Charlie Kirks murder and are out painting roundabouts and putting temu flags up on lampposts , I just find that behavior odd.
Time for a lot less friends?
 
It amazes me the passion in which so many people have for this cause, much more passionate than our own country. It is fucking mental. Of course I want this to stop, of course I don't want a single person dying but fuck me, I have many weird mates obsessed with this, daily posts about it, yet not one posted anything last week in support of the innocent jews wrongly killed. Such a weird world we live in.
This is largely because it is predominately a political identity issue. You will never see them protesting against other injustices. On Palestine they have taken very troubling positions such as supporting the murderous Hamas or regimes such as Iran and the Yemen Houthis who systematically oppress their own populations. Iran has threatened to nuke Israel and has actively attempted to acquire nuclear weapons, an obvious threat of total genocide in itself.

Any sensible person knows that Israel are committing war crimes and it's horrifying. However, those same sensible people know that we live in a democratic society of law and order where we rely upon government to do what's right and they will be held accountable by the people and/or proper courts if they don't.

It is possible to take a position of opposing Israel whilst also generally opposing the regular divisive, disruptive and sometimes violent protests which is basically where I am at the moment. This includes the far-right too, these protests within our cities are not safe spaces and everybody has a right to feel safe wherever they go.
 
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This is largely because it is predominately a political identity issue. You will never see them protesting against other injustices. On Palestine they have taken very troubling positions such as supporting the murderous Hamas or regimes such as Iran and the Yemen Houthis who systematically oppress their own populations.

Any sensible person knows that Israel are committing war crimes and its horrifying. However, those same sensible people know that we live in a democratic society of law and order where we rely upon government to do what's right and they will be held accountable by the people and/or proper courts if they don't.

It is possible to take a position of opposing Israel whilst also generally opposing the regular divisive, disruptive and sometimes violent protests which is basically where I am at the moment. This includes the far-right too, these protests within our cities are not safe spaces and everybody has a right to feel safe wherever they go.
You claim they aren't safe places but as we have seen recently, the numbers to arrests in each different protest suggests the far right aren't these middle aged angry white violent thugs as being suggested. I agree with a lot of that and I am the same where I can see the sense, justice and logic of different angles, not just my sole angle and ignore anything else. People have taken Palestine and made it their entire personality. A place they have no connection with, or choose to visit, or argue with their women and gay rights and how they live, or argue around Hamas. They cannot see that. I see it and I also see Israel committing the war crimes and they need stopping.
 
You claim they aren't safe places but as we have seen recently, the numbers to arrests in each different protest suggests the far right aren't these middle aged angry white violent thugs as being suggested. I agree with a lot of that and I am the same where I can see the sense, justice and logic of different angles, not just my sole angle and ignore anything else. People have taken Palestine and made it their entire personality. A place they have no connection with, or choose to visit, or argue with their women and gay rights and how they live, or argue around Hamas. They cannot see that. I see it and I also see Israel committing the war crimes and they need stopping.
Palestine Action was proscribed so obviously there were going to be a lot of arrests. I don't think they should have been proscribed because aside from those who damaged those planes none of them are actual terrorists. A blind fella in a wheelchair holding a placard obviously isn't a terrorist.

There is always a minority though who push the limits, you usually see them masked up and they want to cause trouble and disruption by design which results in a small number of arrests. At the Palestine marches the noise alone and intimidation walking nearby is enough, especially with young children.

The same applies to the far-right marches, I've seen videos of them fighting with the Police and imagine what it was like to live near one of those migrant hotels where they overtook the area. We also had the riots last year which were a disgrace so it's untrue that there aren't violent thugs on that side because many of them are.

This is what I mean when I say the streets generally aren't safe around any of these protests. I wish we could just have one weekend where you could go into the city and get a bit of peace and quiet.
 
It would actually do the people being arrested some good if they had a little bit of exercise and moved a bit quicker than they usually do.

Seeing some footage of the terror group sympathisers being arrested on Saturday, it was striking just how many of them were obese. Morbidly obese in fact, although in truth that’s probably not that surprising given the sort of people attending these protests.

I felt genuinely sorry for the coppers having to schlep them around and I think my approach would work better all round.
 
This is largely because it is predominately a political identity issue. You will never see them protesting against other injustices. On Palestine they have taken very troubling positions such as supporting the murderous Hamas or regimes such as Iran and the Yemen Houthis who systematically oppress their own populations. Iran has threatened to nuke Israel and has actively attempted to acquire nuclear weapons, an obvious threat of total genocide in itself.

Any sensible person knows that Israel are committing war crimes and it's horrifying. However, those same sensible people know that we live in a democratic society of law and order where we rely upon government to do what's right and they will be held accountable by the people and/or proper courts if they don't.

It is possible to take a position of opposing Israel whilst also generally opposing the regular divisive, disruptive and sometimes violent protests which is basically where I am at the moment. This includes the far-right too, these protests within our cities are not safe spaces and everybody has a right to feel safe wherever they go.
No idea when Iran threatened Israel with nuclear weapons but any nuclear-armed country is threatening genocide.
 
It amazes me the passion in which so many people have for this cause, much more passionate than our own country. It is fucking mental. Of course I want this to stop, of course I don't want a single person dying but fuck me, I have many weird mates obsessed with this, daily posts about it, yet not one posted anything last week in support of the innocent jews wrongly killed. Such a weird world we live in.
I get why they are vocal about the Israel:Gaza issue, but I do get what you’re saying.

It’s like our very own fanbase with regards to our very own majority shareholder, Mansour bin Zayed Al Nayan.

I know Blues who are very vocal on this Israel:Gaza issue, but have never said a Dicky Bird about Mansour being the Deputy PM and Vice President of the UAE govt who are the main supplier of arms, funds and intelligence to the RSF who are committing genocide in Sudan; and who have torture prisons in Yemen, have control of the shipping lanes and ports in Yemen (220k Yemenis, including 90k children, have died of starvation and preventable disease due to UAE’s control on where and who food and medical aid is delivered to and who it isn’t) and funding groups to assisinste their Yemeni rivals.

Nobody from our fanbase has ever protested outside the Etihad about our connection to Mansour, yet they’re up in arms about the UK govt doing the similar things with Israel. The only Blue I’ve ever noticed say anything about being opposed to Mansour being our majority shareholder on this site is Rascal.

The Israel:Gaza issue is obviously an appalling situation, but it is very much an on-trend movement. It’s always been the ‘in thing’ to be seen to be vocal and active about.

Even though we put a ban on it in 2022, the UK govt are still buying oil from Russia, indirectly through India, helping Russia continue to fund their invasion of Ukraine and kidnapping of 20k Ukrainian children. But nobody is out protesting about that.
 
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I get why they are vocal about the Israel:Gaza issue, but I do get what you’re saying.

It’s like our very own fanbase with regards to our very own majority shareholder, Mansour bin Zayed Al Nayan.

I know Blues who are very vocal on this Israel:Gaza issue, but have never said a Dicky Bird about Mansour being the Deputy PM and Vice President of the UAE govt who are the main supplier of arms, funds and intelligence to the RSF who are committing genocide in Sudan; and who have torture prisons in Yemen, have control of the shipping lanes and ports in Yemen (220k Yemenis, including 90k children, have died of starvation and preventable disease due to UAE’s control on where and who food and medical aid is delivered to and who it isn’t) and funding groups to assisinste their Yemeni rivals.

Nobody from our fanbase has ever protested outside the Etihad about our connection to Mansour, yet they’re up in arms about the UK govt doing the similar things with Israel. The only Blue I’ve ever noticed say anything about being opposed to Mansour being our majority shareholder on this site is Rascal.

The Israel:Gaza issue is obviously an appalling situation, but it is very much an on-trend movement. It’s always been the ‘in thing’ to be seen to be vocal and active about.

Even though we put a ban on it in 2022, the UK govt are still buying oil from Russia, indirectly through India, helping Russia continue to fund their invasion of Ukraine and kidnapping of 20k Ukrainian children. But nobody is out protesting about that.
Just a quick point about the Ukraine Russia conflict. Ukraine is getting plenty of military assistance from the West which gives it a fighting chance. Russia meanwhile knows there are red lines it cannot cross. It can't for example do to Kiev what Israel has done to Gaza.
The Palestinians have been occupied for 70 years the majority of that time people in the West have ignored their suffering. In 2014 Israel bombed Gaza for a week and it barely raised a whisper.
However the sheer scale of the destruction is unprecedented. And it has been broadcast.
The mistreatment of Palestinians by Israel, the US, the UK, and other Arab countries has been highlighted. The situation has reached a tipping point where this is not just about Israel and Palestine but about how we treat the weak in the face of overwhelming violence.
 
Just a quick point about the Ukraine Russia conflict. Ukraine is getting plenty of military assistance from the West which gives it a fighting chance. Russia meanwhile knows there are red lines it cannot cross. It can't for example do to Kiev what Israel has done to Gaza.
The Palestinians have been occupied for 70 years the majority of that time people in the West have ignored their suffering. In 2014 Israel bombed Gaza for a week and it barely raised a whisper.
However the sheer scale of the destruction is unprecedented. And it has been broadcast.
The mistreatment of Palestinians by Israel, the US, the UK, and other Arab countries has been highlighted. The situation has reached a tipping point where this is not just about Israel and Palestine but about how we treat the weak in the face of overwhelming violence.
I agree, like my opening words said in my post ‘I get why they are vocal about the Israel:Gaza issue’… but I notice most how you didn’t make reference to my point about City, Mansour and the UAE govt.
 
I agree, like my opening words said in my post ‘I get why they are vocal about the Israel:Gaza issue‘… but I notice most how you didn’t make reference to my point about City, Mansour and the UAE govt.
Take your point. The arms industry is a huge money spinner and it's the powerful who buy stuff and use it against dissenting voices.
I was unaware of the UAEs malign involvement in Sudan and Yemen but will read up on it.
 
No idea when Iran threatened Israel with nuclear weapons but any nuclear-armed country is threatening genocide.
I think that's a bit selective to say the least. They have at least said that Israel won't exist in 25 years time, they've said that Israel is a cancerous tumor and they chant death to Israel. Iran faces no other threats except those created through its own actions so what else did they need a nuclear weapon for?

It's a bit obvious why they weren't allowed to acquire one whether they intended to literally use it on day one or not.

 


Don't know where to put this so might as well here.
My Nigerian Christian co-worker wants to know why doesn't the English people care about what's going on in his country with the genocide that's taking place towards the Christian's from the Islamics,and yet sympathize with the Islamics who hate our way of life.

Tbh I've never heard of this until he said,so searched YouTube and there is hundreds of videos on it.
Why does our media ignore this genocide but not the Palestine one.
 

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