Palestine Action

[Postman Pep]

That's not why they have been designated a terrorist group. Many of their members have been shown, after Police investigation, to be supportive of the terror group Hamas, which IS an illegal offence in the UK. THAT is whay Palestine Action has been declared a terror group.

Really? Where are you getting this from?

 

[The blue phantom]

Some posters on this thread have had an absolute fuckin nightmare. They are still digging too. Biker will be in Brisbane by tomorrow.

 

[Metal Biker]

Really? Where are you getting this from?

The UK Parliaments declaration.

 

[Vic]

Our democratically elected Parliament decided thus.

Do you not have faith in the UK legal systems of law, order and justice?

No. Not now. Not if it calls a 83 year old priest a terrorist for holding a placard protesting genocide.

 

[Metal Biker]

Some posters on this thread have had an absolute fuckin nightmare. They are still digging too. Biker will be in Brisbane by tomorrow.

Rationality has never been your strong point. Or logic. All you have is snarky responses, as per.

 

[Vic]

Yes, I did. I answered from the prospective of "ignore the law", which YOU proposed.

I said no, I will not ignore the law, rendering anything else afterwards redundant and you cannot force me to either. You effectively asked, "Consider this..." and I refused.

Accept it.

So I choose to interpret that as meaning you do think it's worse to wave a placard than killing thousands of children.

 

[Postman Pep]

The UK Parliaments declaration.

So no prosecutions for being supporters of an already proscribed organisation based on "police investigation" just some vague wording thrown in to add weight to their justification.

Rationality has never been your strong point. Or logic.

 

[Vic]

Really? Where are you getting this from?

His imagination.

 

[Metal Biker]

So no prosecutions for being supporters of an already proscribed organisation based on "police investigation" just some vague wording thrown in to add weight to their justification.

Showing support isn't the same as being an active member.
Likely she'll get a caution. Being arrested isn't actually illegal or a criminal offence, only when you're charged with an offence, so I don't understand why people are so emotive about the 83 year old priest.

 

[Vic]

That's not why they have been designated a terrorist group. Many of their members have been shown, after Police investigation, to be supportive of the terror group Hamas, which IS an illegal offence in the UK. THAT is whay Palestine Action has been declared a terror group.

Granny and Blue Haired girl might not be supportive of Hamas personally, but if they ARE supportive of a group which has been proven to be complicit to be supportive of a banned terror group i.e Palestine Action, they are seen under UK law as being equally guilty. They know this, so stop, or face prosecution by the law.

Their choice.

Utter tosh. You've obviously not read the government's case for proscribing them.

 

[Vic]

Except you seem to be suggesting they should know that what they did was terrorism before it was terrorism

Also I believe there is a defence in law about stopping the great crime (genocide or war crimes or support of them )

That defence has been gutted a bit since Starmer used it to get people off criminal damage charges 22 years ago.

 

[Metal Biker]

I don't understand the manpower argument because these are critical defence assets. If those tankers can't fly then the UK cannot provide a sustained defence of its airspace from air threats. As already pointed out the UK defence budget is over £50bn, if we can't find £20 from that to employ a few blokes with guns to protect aircraft then we're stuffed.

There is a lot of crap on here about Palestine but the reality is those aircraft are used for a much more important purpose than potentially being used to assist Israel. That alone is why I support the proscription of Palestine Action, their actions require a very immediate and serious deterrence.

"It is illegal for non-military personnel to infiltrate an active UK RAF airbase without authorisation"

Bluemoon PA Thread: "WHY DEY BEE DER AWESTERED AN CWIMINALISED??!"

 

[Postman Pep]

Showing support isn't the same as being an active member.
Likely she'll get a caution. Being arrested isn't actually illegal or a criminal offence, only when you're charged with an offence, so I don't understand why people are so emotive about the 83 year old priest.

No I was talking about the members who were proved to be Hamas supporters that, according to you, were mentioned in the UK parliament declaration.

 

[Vic]

Parliament decided that. The British public votes on Parliament.

But again, that is NOT why Palestine Action have been declared a terrorist organisation. Their prominant and active members have show public support for Hamas, which is illegal. That is why they have been declared a terrorist group and illegal. The RAF action just gained public attention.

Stop it. Or provide some evidence.

No doubt you'll choose not to.

 

[Metal Biker]

No I was talking about the members who were proved to be Hamas supporters that, according to you, were mentioned in the UK parliament declaration.

The group in it's entirety has been declared a terror group and anyone showing support of it will face legal action. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Parliament. I'm only relaying facts, not personal opinions.

 

[Postman Pep]

The group in it's entirety has been declared a terror group and anyone showing support of it will face legal action. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Parliament. I'm only relaying facts, not personal opinions.

Again I'm asking you about this.

Parliament decided that. The British public votes on Parliament.

But again, that is NOT why Palestine Action have been declared a terrorist organisation. Their prominant and active members have show public support for Hamas, which is illegal. That is why they have been declared a terrorist group and illegal. The RAF action just gained public attention.

So why weren't they prosecuted?

 

[Metal Biker]

Again I'm asking you about this.

So why weren't they prosecuted?

Not every illegal action results in a charge. Depends on what the court decides.

You appear to be a "everyone to the gullotine" type of chap, zero chill. As I said, being arrested is not in itself a crime. Palestine Action has been declared by our UK Parliament, to be an illegal terrorist organisation. That is a current fact, air your beef with them, i'm just highlighting that reality. Depending on the severity of that association per individual will determine how the UK courts wil proceed.

This is elemetary stuff to understand, pal.

 

[Vic]

The UK Government does not consider Netenyahu as a 'war criminal' as per the UN.
And if you thought any country must obey what the UN declares, I have only one word for you.

Russia.

“If the court approves the request for an arrest warrant put forward by the prosecutor, all member states of the Rome Statute – including the UK – would need to enforce it should the suspect enter their jurisdiction".

We're a signatory to the statute (a law) so are you now suggesting the UK breaks the law?

 

[Vic]

No I was talking about the members who were proved to be Hamas supporters that, according to you, were mentioned in the UK parliament declaration.

But weren't.

 

[Metal Biker]

Because we live in a flimsy country. We have a law where it is illegal to obstruct a road and yet the Police have always facilitated the right for Just Stop Oil to protest by obstructing roads.

The only reason for the proscription of Palestine Action is to deter further action because harsher action can be taken through the application of terror laws.

Very little will happen to anybody else just as nothing ever happens to the many who proclaim support for Hamas.

Because being arrested, is in itself, not a crime :)