Palestine Action

[Vic]

I think that's a bit selective to say the least. They have at least said that Israel won't exist in 25 years time, they've said that Israel is a cancerous tumor and they chant death to Israel. Iran faces no other threats except those created through its own actions so what else did they need a nuclear weapon for?

It's a bit obvious why they weren't allowed to acquire one whether they intended to literally use it on day one or not.

Death to Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whatever your view of the Iranian regime since the Shah, it's nonsense to say they've faced no threats since then. We backed Saddam in the Iraq v. Iran war.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

Whatever your view of the Iranian regime since the Shah, it's nonsense to say they've faced no threats since then. We backed Saddam in the Iraq v. Iran war.

Adequate threats to justify obtaining nuclear weapons? Don't they have the largest standing army in the middle east?

 

[city5189]

Don't know where to put this so might as well here.
My Nigerian Christian co-worker wants to know why doesn't the English people care about what's going on in his country with the genocide that's taking place towards the Christian's from the Islamics,and yet sympathize with the Islamics who hate our way of life.

Tbh I've never heard of this until he said,so searched YouTube and there is hundreds of videos on it.
Why does our media ignore this genocide but not the Palestine one.

The fact only 1 person has acknowledged this post just shows people pick and choose what genocide they are outraged by.
Maybe the more vocal on this thread are to exhausted to care about what's going on in Africa.

 

[stonerblue]

It amazes me the passion in which so many people have for this cause, much more passionate than our own country. It is fucking mental. Of course I want this to stop, of course I don't want a single person dying but fuck me, I have many weird mates obsessed with this, daily posts about it, yet not one posted anything last week in support of the innocent jews wrongly killed. Such a weird world we live in.

No, that's the world you live in with your weird mates.

 

[stonerblue]

No it is not. Off the back of anti jew hate speech being allowed everywhere and go unpunished, this lunatic has committed a horrible crime. The point is, if you care so much about human life, as we all should then you can't pick and choose what humans can die or not. Several of them people I know, who are so pro Palestine celebrated Kirk's death. But they are against death remember. Only when it suits. I just hate the hypocrisy and double standards of the whole world.

Yet you rock up on here and within a week have amassed a large number of hypocritcal posts full of double standards..

 

[robbieh]

The fact only 1 person has acknowledged this post just shows people pick and choose what genocide they are outraged by.
Maybe the more vocal on this thread are to exhausted to care about what's going on in Africa.

Not at all. I have heard of this from a couple of fundamentalist Christians who also happen to be Zionists and fans of Tommy Robinson.

So forgive my scepticism. Also it is reported the figures are wildly exaggerated.

 

[city5189]

Not at all. I have heard of this from a couple of fundamentalist Christians who also happen to be Zionists and fans of Tommy Robinson.

So forgive my scepticism. Also it is reported the figures are wildly exaggerated.

Oh right so hamas and the Islamic jihads are a great cause to get behind eh.
Hundred thousand Christians have been slaughtered since 2009 by the boko haram Islamic terrorist but you're sceptical because a few are fans of Tommy Robinson.
Maybe my Nigerian Christian colleague has a point.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Palestine Action was proscribed so obviously there were going to be a lot of arrests. I don't think they should have been proscribed because aside from those who damaged those planes none of them are actual terrorists. A blind fella in a wheelchair holding a placard obviously isn't a terrorist.

There is always a minority though who push the limits, you usually see them masked up and they want to cause trouble and disruption by design which results in a small number of arrests. At the Palestine marches the noise alone and intimidation walking nearby is enough, especially with young children.

The same applies to the far-right marches, I've seen videos of them fighting with the Police and imagine what it was like to live near one of those migrant hotels where they overtook the area. We also had the riots last year which were a disgrace so it's untrue that there aren't violent thugs on that side because many of them are.

This is what I mean when I say the streets generally aren't safe around any of these protests. I wish we could just have one weekend where you could go into the city and get a bit of peace and quiet.

You'd be a shoe in at MI5... They can make good use of your crystal ball

 

[robbieh]

Oh right so hamas and the Islamic jihads are a great cause to get behind eh.
Hundred thousand Christians have been slaughtered since 2009 by the boko haram Islamic terrorist but you're sceptical because a few are fans of Tommy Robinson.
Maybe my Nigerian Christian colleague has a point.

Forget the labels. You might want to characterise the Israeli Palestinian conflict in terms of Muslim vs Jew. And obviously in your propagandized mind Muslim means all sorts of nasty stuff.
However I see it like most wars as a battle over land and resources. And Israel have appropriated land that didn't belong to them and the Palestinians have mounted a very successful resistance movement that pisses off Israelis and the US. Much neater if they'd just slunked off somewhere else.

Because Israel is backed by the US of course this conflict is going to be front page. Throw in Britain's role in Palestine and you can see why it might be of more interest to us

That is not to say the conflict you mention is not important and something the UN are keeping an eye on.

 

[Postman Pep]

The fact only 1 person has acknowledged this post just shows people pick and choose what genocide they are outraged by.
Maybe the more vocal on this thread are to exhausted to care about what's going on in Africa.

It appears Sudan's spell at the top of the hasbara deflection league is over and we have a new leader. I mean you are so outraged and care so deeply that you couldn't even be arsed to start a thread on it.

Mind you if all you are bringing to the table is Bill fucking Maher no wonder.







Granted this fella is an advisor to the current government but he makes a plausible case that there is a shit tonne of nuance that is conveniently missing. Maybe get your Nigerian pal to debunk it all and report back to the class?


President Bola Ahmed Tinubu inherited a country that has faced brutal Islamist insurgencies led by Boko Haram and its offshoot, Islamic State – West Africa Province (ISWAP), for more than a decade. While Western media often highlight attacks on churches and Christian communities, the reality is that these terrorists are indiscriminate in their violence. Most of Boko Haram’s victims have been Muslims, despite the group’s hostility to Christians. Operating mainly in the predominantly Muslim northeast, Boko Haram has slaughtered thousands of Muslims, including clerics, village heads and civilians it deems apostates or opponents.

The real danger lies in media outlets portraying Boko Haram, a group despised by both Muslims and Christians, as representative of Islam. Boko Haram, along with ISWAP and bandit groups, treat anyone who opposes them as an enemy, regardless of faith. They have bombed mosques, assassinated Muslim leaders and killed Christians, demonstrating their indiscriminate violence. To characterise this as a strictly anti-Christian campaign is propaganda.

No, Bill Maher, there is no ‘Christian genocide’ in Nigeria

From Boko Haram to herder–farmer clashes, Nigeria’s crises are complex. Simplistic genocide claims fuel propaganda.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Vic]

Adequate threats to justify obtaining nuclear weapons? Don't they have the largest standing army in the middle east?

There's only one Middle East state with nuclear weapons. Wouldn't that justify Iran's getting them - for deterrence of course, or is it only our side that can plead that argument? When they were attacked by Iraq, they didn't have the largest army in the Middle East.

 

[Vic]

The fact only 1 person has acknowledged this post just shows people pick and choose what genocide they are outraged by.
Maybe the more vocal on this thread are to exhausted to care about what's going on in Africa.

It is claimed that Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world.

No-one's ignoring it. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2025-0076/

But in the context of this thread, one of the most effective ethnic cleansings of Christians has been in Palestine.

Israel destroyed Christian presence in Gaza: Palestinian church affairs committee

‘In a nearly empty UN General Assembly hall, war criminal and ICC fugitive Benjamin Netanyahu once again spread lies about Palestinian Christians,’ committee says - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

The fact only 1 person has acknowledged this post just shows people pick and choose what genocide they are outraged by.
Maybe the more vocal on this thread are to exhausted to care about what's going on in Africa.

Two people so far liked your post, .one of the reasons people only comment on one or two threads is TIME having the time to follow a thread.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

There's only one Middle East state with nuclear weapons. Wouldn't that justify Iran's getting them - for deterrence of course, or is it only our side that can plead that argument? When they were attacked by Iraq, they didn't have the largest army in the Middle East.

We have them in the west but we know and trust that they'll only ever be used defensively. Can you really guarantee the same for Iran they have no intention of using them for anything else? It doesn't seem like it and Iran also hates the west as much as it hates Israel so it's certainly not in our interests to allow them to get them.

I'm sure many people made this same argument against our nukes and the impossibility of war with Russia... How wrong they were.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The fact only 1 person has acknowledged this post just shows people pick and choose what genocide they are outraged by.
Maybe the more vocal on this thread are to exhausted to care about what's going on in Africa.

I mean you literally didn't consider it important enough to give it its own thread, only to use it as a bit of whataboutery in another thread, so I don't know how you can criticise others for not caring.

 

[Vic]

We have them in the west but we know and trust that they'll only ever be used defensively. Can you really guarantee the same for Iran they have no intention of using them for anything else? It doesn't seem like it and Iran also hates the west as much as it hates Israel so it's certainly not in our interests to allow them to get them.

I'm sure many people made this same argument against our nukes and the impossibility of war with Russia... How wrong they were.

I'm a bit lost now. I picked up on your statement that "Iran has threatened to nuke Israel and has actively attempted to acquire nuclear weapons, an obvious threat of total genocide in itself." I said all nuclear weapon states theaten genocide. Then it was "Iran has faced no threats", then that they had a large standing army, then that they can't be trusted just to have "defensive" nuclear weapons, and now you're saying that the nuclear deterrent has failed because Russia hasn't been deterred, and we're having to spend more on conventional defence.

 

[Vic]

Not at all. I have heard of this from a couple of fundamentalist Christians who also happen to be Zionists and fans of Tommy Robinson.

So forgive my scepticism. Also it is reported the figures are wildly exaggerated.

Ask them if they think Israel should rebuild a temple in Jerusalem.

If "yes", ask "would they have priests resuming animal sacrifice in the temple?"

If "yes", ask "what would be the point of any sacrifices? Didn't Jesus make a full and sufficient sacrifice for the sins of the whole world? It sounds a bit like heresy."

Hebrews 7:27: Christ has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.

 

[M18CTID]

I mean you literally didn't consider it important enough to give it its own thread, only to use it as a bit of whataboutery in another thread, so I don't know how you can criticise others for not caring.

He also said he didn’t previously know anything about it until a Nigerian friend told him about it so how he can pontificate about others is beyond me. As it happens, I do have a limited knowledge of what’s going on over there and Boko Haram are a bunch of horrible murdering bastards. Like it or not though, certain conflicts get more media coverage than others and it stands to reason that the Israel/Gaza situation gets more coverage because it impacts many more nations globally. The numbers killed in the Rwanda genocide absolutely dwarf those in Nigeria and Gaza but while it did get reported on over here, it wasn’t headline news every day in the UK and the wider world.

 

[Marklr]

The fact only 1 person has acknowledged this post just shows people pick and choose what genocide they are outraged by.
Maybe the more vocal on this thread are to exhausted to care about what's going on in Africa.

Are you not outraged by the genocide in Gaza?

 

[city5189]

Are you not outraged by the genocide in Gaza?

To be brutally honest I couldn't give a fuck what goes on around the world.
Whatever I say or do won't change a thing so why worry over something you have no control over.
Now that may seem heartless but I see it on the news whilst having my tea maybe shake my head and carry on eating.

The only thing I worry about is making sure my kids are fed and watered with a roof over their heads while keeping them safe.
Nothing else matters in my world.