Patrick Vieira

[sam-caddick]

Barcelona have shown that managers don't necessarily need a huge amount of experience if they're educated in what the club is all about and they share the passion and desire to work with that club. Pep came through as a player, was clearly studious and had a keen philosophy of his own, worked incredibly well with the youth team and then transferred that to the first team. Others have also managed to do the same. Vieira has worked with our club for a while and is aware of the wider and ambitious intentions. He wasn't incredibly successful but EDS level is the hardest to judge because it's often used to bring senior pros back from injury.

I truly believe the club have sent him to NYCFC for more experience with senior players and we'll see him return to work with Pep in a couple of years and he'll be the natural replacement unless someone else within the academy management really stands out. We'll follow the Barca model in terms of managerial recruitment.

what barca have in place is years and years of winning mentality which we don't have yet.

to a player going into barca is a dream come true, it's a huge club with an immense amount of expectation so you will very rarely see players slack.

we don't have this sort of culture yet and it's why i am hoping guardiola will change it.

 

[PrestwichPeteMcfc]

Surprised he got the NYC job after not showing much promise with the EDS (despite the MCFC.co.uk propaganda machine suggesting overwise).

His NY look disorganised and chaotic. Too early to judge his qualities as a manager going forward - given time he may well turn out to be top class. But as of now, he's a million miles off being qualified to take any job in England's top flight, let alone City.

 

[ancoats]

Surprised he got the NYC job after not showing much promise with the EDS (despite the MCFC.co.uk propaganda machine suggesting overwise).

His NY look disorganised and chaotic. Too early to judge his qualities as a manager going forward - given time he may well turn out to be top class. But as of now, he's a million miles off being qualified to take any job in England's top flight, let alone City.

you're kidding me right

if pellegrini can qualified to take over the Manchester city job from mancini with the record of having won fuck all in Europe and take's the real Madrid and getting 90 points with a team with Ronnie Ronaldo in the side and still won fuck all says a lot about his management style. Patrick Vieira would have been a better choice back then never mind this season

 

[TCIB]

you're kidding me right

if pellegrini can qualified to take over the Manchester city job from mancini with the record of having won fuck all in Europe and take's the real Madrid and getting 90 points with a team with Ronnie Ronaldo in the side and still won fuck all says a lot about his management style. Patrick Vieira would have been a better choice back then never mind this season

I think Pep's all conquering barca team may have had some say here. It says naff all about his management style that i can gather.
I would say his time at Real was hard luck tbh, it is unfair to note what he did at Real without acknowledging he was up against what most consider to be the best club side the world has ever seen.

However that is taking this thread off track...

With Viera i have not seen to much of NYCFC but you can see he is trying to build play from the back and reluctant to change that and the other night it seemed to pay off a bit.

 

[PrestwichPeteMcfc]

you're kidding me right

if pellegrini can qualified to take over the Manchester city job from mancini with the record of having won fuck all in Europe and take's the real Madrid and getting 90 points with a team with Ronnie Ronaldo in the side and still won fuck all says a lot about his management style. Patrick Vieira would have been a better choice back then never mind this season

I didn't comment on Pellers suitability for the City job. Simply saying that I don't think Vieria has shown anything to suggest that he is qualified to take on one of the biggest jobs in world football, even on an interim basis.

 

[George Hannah]

They're actually sliding up it, they were bottom, they're now 4th having taken 7 points from the last 9 ;o)

it's good news for a change then ;)

 

[Neville Kneville]

Barcelona have shown that managers don't necessarily need a huge amount of experience if they're educated in what the club is all about and they share the passion and desire to work with that club. Pep came through as a player, was clearly studious and had a keen philosophy of his own, worked incredibly well with the youth team and then transferred that to the first team. Others have also managed to do the same. Vieira has worked with our club for a while and is aware of the wider and ambitious intentions. He wasn't incredibly successful but EDS level is the hardest to judge because it's often used to bring senior pros back from injury.

I truly believe the club have sent him to NYCFC for more experience with senior players and we'll see him return to work with Pep in a couple of years and he'll be the natural replacement unless someone else within the academy management really stands out. We'll follow the Barca model in terms of managerial recruitment.

I think this is what is happening.

Vieira has been pencilled in as a future City manager but even he himself wants to learn.

He has one hell of a job on at NYC as their players are, for the most part, total shit & he has been tasked with teaching them to play proper football, when in reality they would be better off with Neil Warnock.

But there were signs in the last game I saw, that he is just starting to get tgrough to one or two, & what did impress me a lot in that game, was the huge difference in Pirlo, who was subbed off for a quite disgraceful Pellegrini-player style half arsed performance in the previous game but pulled his tripe out when reinstated.

I think if Vieira proves himself he will one day be City manager.

And I do agree he would probably have been better than Pellegrini, but the reasons for him not doing it were sound.

 

[ancoats]

I didn't comment on Pellers suitability for the City job. Simply saying that I don't think Vieria has shown anything to suggest that he is qualified to take on one of the biggest jobs in world football, even on an interim basis.

ok matey

just saying Vieira would have done a better job than what pellegrini done this season in the league with the squad of players we have its not that hard to see the results and losing at home so many times this season and 0 wins out of 12 vs the top 6 teams shocking

 

[abellwillring]

You can't ask a coach to have his first time as a professional coach be a 1-year at most caretaker type position. Not fair to him, not fair to everyone involved.

 

[supercity88]

what barca have in place is years and years of winning mentality which we don't have yet.

to a player going into barca is a dream come true, it's a huge club with an immense amount of expectation so you will very rarely see players slack.

we don't have this sort of culture yet and it's why i am hoping guardiola will change it.

It doesn't take long to create that culture though. Real and Barca, and indeed the rags had years of domination under their belts and a big history of success that made players want to join them. The rags managed to win a hell of a lot because of that culture and mentality (unfortunately). It led to players like Wes Brown, John O'Shea and the like being very good when they were at the club but subsequently dross when they put another teams shirt on under a different manager. Liverpool and indeed the rags are evidence as to how quickly that culture can evaporate - Liverpool live off the history of success but in domestic football no one takes them too seriously. In Europe it still plays a huge part. You know when you play Liverpool at Anfield you're in for one hell of a game, and the players step up.

As you say, we don't have that. But under Mancini we were getting there. The Etihad was a place few teams came and won at - similarly to Stamford Bridge under Mourinho (ignoring this season). We "fight til the end" and have won numerous points late on in games. I don't think it will take long at all for Pep to create a strong culture.

What is key about this culture you talk of is strong management though. The club, the fans they are bigger than the player. Pellegrini has allowed players to perform like they're amateurs in a park without fear of losing their place. Pep will haul them off (as Mancini did) and if they don't perform better in the next game they'll be off again. No one will be safe which means when you play you play well for fear of losing your place in the starting lineup.

I don't want to go back into the Mancini managerial issues and I'm not saying he was better than Pellegrini, who has done the job he was brought into do initially (and only to a certain extent). There will be a difference under Pep and it might seem hypocritical to the boards stance with Mancini. If Pep fucks someone off to a golf course in Argentina and doesn't want him back, he won't be back. The board now have their man, the one they've always wanted and we'll see him backed 100%. Whilst he will not work miracles straight away, blues should be very excited to see what the club now do with the manager they will give the world and more to.