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Patriotism
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mammutly
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Rascal said:I think patriotism has overcome nationalism
how good is that for all of us in our country.
We have cheered home Mo, Jess, Greg, Brad and others as we should as proud Brits and im proud of that.
That silly **** BNP leader Nick Bollocks is tweeting that the left in british politics are abusing foriegn countries by making people run for us...Mo didnt give that impression did he, he ran for us, all of the UK
A triumph of patriotism over nationalism
The Olympics which i was sceptical about has done more than i can ever imagine for our fantastic multicultural island
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpOOy7voiZI[/youtube]
There is some dark wisdom in these lyrics.
Patriotism is no less worth it that Nationalism.
The world has to change one day. It just has to. And Usain Bolt won't stand for Jamaica and Mo Farrah won't strand for GB. And they'll be no bullshit flag waving for my border over your border.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8[/youtube]
I always find it strange that people view 'patriotism' as the willingness to wave a flag about and to shout "I'm proud to be......"
All very well and good to see in a sporting context. But outside of that when people see such things and then say "Well, let's hope that this now signals a continuation of this sort of thing........ " what exactly are they envisaging?
People regularly walking down the high street regularly doing these very same things? Waving flags all the time and shouting that they are proud to be British, etc?
Frankly, outside of the sporting context, that would be mental behaviour, without an event as a reference point for it.
I happen to think that most people are quite happy to live in Britain and recognise the benefits of living here over most places. I'm always suspicious though when people seem desperate, outside of sport, for this to manifest itself as Yank style 'patriotism'.
Not only is Yank style patriotism completely at odds with the traditions of this country but it is also inward looking, narrow minded, distorts facts, stiffles debate and is generally vulgar.
Do we really have to "show our patriotism" in order to be considered people that like living here and are grateful for all the opportunities that being British brings us?
All very well and good to see in a sporting context. But outside of that when people see such things and then say "Well, let's hope that this now signals a continuation of this sort of thing........ " what exactly are they envisaging?
People regularly walking down the high street regularly doing these very same things? Waving flags all the time and shouting that they are proud to be British, etc?
Frankly, outside of the sporting context, that would be mental behaviour, without an event as a reference point for it.
I happen to think that most people are quite happy to live in Britain and recognise the benefits of living here over most places. I'm always suspicious though when people seem desperate, outside of sport, for this to manifest itself as Yank style 'patriotism'.
Not only is Yank style patriotism completely at odds with the traditions of this country but it is also inward looking, narrow minded, distorts facts, stiffles debate and is generally vulgar.
Do we really have to "show our patriotism" in order to be considered people that like living here and are grateful for all the opportunities that being British brings us?
southern muppet
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It makes you realise that by and large the multicultural society is a success. Too much media focus in recent years has fallen on those who will not integrate, this past couple of weeks was a needed reminder to people susceptible to that kind of reporting, of the other side of the coin. It also shows that a British pride and a multicultural society are not at all incompatible things.
Televators
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There's no wisdom at all in those lyrics!mammutly said:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpOOy7voiZI[/youtube]
There is some dark wisdom in these lyrics.
My mum used to sing that to me when I was little - I know every word off by heart (albeit via the Judy Collins' version) - but she married a squaddie and did not too badly out of dear old England in the end, thank you very much.
I'm Gibraltarian and English, that's what my heart says. But it's been the most fantastic 2 weeks and I'm proud to have supported Team GB.
mammutly
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Televators said:There's no wisdom at all in those lyrics!mammutly said:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpOOy7voiZI[/youtube]
There is some dark wisdom in these lyrics.
My mum used to sing that to me when I was little - I know every word off by heart (albeit via the Judy Collins' version) - but she married a squaddie and did not too badly out of dear old England in the end, thank you very much.
I'm Gibraltarian and English, that's what my heart says. But it's been the most fantastic 2 weeks and I'm proud to have supported Team GB.
"dark" tele. The shadow of what you believe in can better mark your edges if you let it. And, if you're lucky, you'll change accordingly.
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Don't change a thing tele.
PJMCC1UK
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jma said:I always find it strange that people view 'patriotism' as the willingness to wave a flag about and to shout "I'm proud to be......"
All very well and good to see in a sporting context. But outside of that when people see such things and then say "Well, let's hope that this now signals a continuation of this sort of thing........ " what exactly are they envisaging?
People regularly walking down the high street regularly doing these very same things? Waving flags all the time and shouting that they are proud to be British, etc?
Frankly, outside of the sporting context, that would be mental behaviour, without an event as a reference point for it.
I happen to think that most people are quite happy to live in Britain and recognise the benefits of living here over most places. I'm always suspicious though when people seem desperate, outside of sport, for this to manifest itself as Yank style 'patriotism'.
Not only is Yank style patriotism completely at odds with the traditions of this country but it is also inward looking, narrow minded, distorts facts, stiffles debate and is generally vulgar.
Do we really have to "show our patriotism" in order to be considered people that like living here and are grateful for all the opportunities that being British brings us?
I talk about a continuation of the feeling that we aren't shit. The attitude of wanting to be a better person for the sake of the nation. A sense of togetherness. It also hopefully has given us a better attitude to other nations.
Who said it had to be Yank patriotism??
It would be our own sense of patriotism. Not just flag waving and saying we're the best. There are those who are content to live here but we are a nation full of pessimists. Where everything is shit. Now I think we can feel good about ourselves.
Patriotism doesn't have to be raising a flag on your lawn or muttering God Save Britain evry 5 minutes.
Ducado
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southern muppet said:It makes you realise that by and large the multicultural society is a success. Too much media focus in recent years has fallen on those who will not integrate, this past couple of weeks was a needed reminder to people susceptible to that kind of reporting, of the other side of the coin. It also shows that a British pride and a multicultural society are not at all incompatible things.
The Multi Cultural society has been an abject failure and is recognised as such at the highest levels in politics both here and other countries (that's why it's never mentioned nowadays in politics), for one thing it's an impossible concept, it has never happened before as it goes against the natural way of things, it led to a ghettos and people importing concepts that are totally alien to our liberal way of thinking, as the Dutch found out to their cost a few years ago.
It's also led to isolation for many communities
The natural way of things is that over times immigrant cultures are assimilated into the host culture and in time the original culture is lost although there may be some vestiges left such as religion, for example all over the world their have been Jewish communities that have assimilated into the host country so much so that they have been indistinguishable apart from religious practise.
It's how most cultures develop and have done since man first walked the earth, were just one big melting pot and that's the way things should be
PJMCC1UK
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southern muppet said:It makes you realise that by and large the multicultural society is a success. Too much media focus in recent years has fallen on those who will not integrate, this past couple of weeks was a needed reminder to people susceptible to that kind of reporting, of the other side of the coin. It also shows that a British pride and a multicultural society are not at all incompatible things.
Surely that's a contradicting post. The media does concentrate on those that don't integrate, surely then the ''other side of the coin'' would be those that integrate. i.e. Mo Farah. A very British attitude from a Somalian born man. Religion aside I'd consider him traditionally British thinking.
Multiculturalism doesn't work. I don't disagree with freedom to follow any religion but I still believe you have to take on the values of a country if you are to live there.