Paul Gascoigne

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If he had cancer would anyone say, the sooner the better? Alcoholism is an illness, he needs help and treatment like any other illness. Some real sad fuckers on this thread.

If you have read his book its clear he has deep set mental issues and battles these everyday, these started long before he ever signed for Newcastle or had a drink. He has unresolved issues of his best friends little brother running out in the road, getting knocked over and dying, when he was buying an ice cream rather than looking after him like he was supposed to.

Do you have the same sympathy for a lung cancer riddled smoker who's had several lung cancer scares and kept smoking as a six years old child with leukemia?

Life is never as simple as you seem to be portraying it.

Shades of grey.

I'd have sympathy for both and both would deserve the best treatment available. Just like Paul Gascoigne does.

You have (with no little skill) avoided answering the question properly.

One can only draw conclusions as to why.

 

[andyhinch]

It's a difficult problem to empathise with and there's probably 100's of reasons for it, just drinking a lot is only part of the problem, unfortunately there's a lot of ignorance both on here and in the general community

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Gazza is a decent bloke with major issues. I think he will be dead in five years. Shame but almost inevitable.

Unfortunately I doubt he'll see the year out. The booze seems to have taken a greater toll on him even than with Best.
I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see an epiphany his horizon.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Do you have the same sympathy for a lung cancer riddled smoker who's had several lung cancer scares and kept smoking as a six years old child with leukemia?

Life is never as simple as you seem to be portraying it.

Shades of grey.

I'd have sympathy for both and both would deserve the best treatment available. Just like Paul Gascoigne does.

You have (without no little skill) avoided answering the question properly.

One can only draw conclusions as to why.

Obviously the little girl would be more tragic having had a shorter life, but that doesnt mean the older bloke deserves to be left to die if he can be treated does it? Cancer is a horrible illness i wouldnt wish on anyone, and i would want whoever has it to battle and survive, no matter who they are.

Its not up to me to decide who is and who isnt allowed treatment whatever your illness, what do you advocate some sort of god like figure that goes through your entire life and decides whether you are allowed treatment or not? Sort of emotional means testing of life?

What conclusions have you drawn up then?

 

[worsleyweb]

Gazza is a decent bloke with major issues. I think he will be dead in five years. Shame but almost inevitable.

Unfortunately I doubt he'll see the year out. The booze seems to have taken a greater toll on him even than with Best.
I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see an epiphany his horizon.

You may be right. In cases like this could he not be locked up or certified insane for his own protection. Maybe have 2 years drying out. He spent hardly any time in that place in America and it was obvious he wasn't cured. What's the point charging him with assault etc. he is I'll and needs help. Like you say he is staring death in the face. As a national instituation why doesn't the country help him?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'd have sympathy for both and both would deserve the best treatment available. Just like Paul Gascoigne does.

You have (without no little skill) avoided answering the question properly.

One can only draw conclusions as to why.

Obviously the little girl would be more tragic having had a shorter life, but that doesnt mean the older bloke deserves to be left to die if he can be treated does it? Cancer is a horrible illness i wouldnt wish on anyone, and i would want whoever has it to battle and survive, no matter who they are.

Its not up to me to decide who is and who isnt allowed treatment whatever your illness, what do you advocate some sort of god like figure that goes through your entire life and decides whether you are allowed treatment or not? Sort of emotional means testing of life?

What conclusions have you drawn up then?

Well, firstly I appreciate you answering my question, which affords me the opportunity of responding properly.

I have never indicated or even intimated that anyone is deserving of death and of course I would want anyone to recover from a serious illness, of which alcoholism is most definitely one such affliction.

I don't advocate any omnipotent force for judgement, as I have previously posted, life isn't that simple.

I merely state that to declare that everyone deserves an equal amount of sympathy for this terrible burden does a tremendous disservice to those who beat this condition without the assistance of their celebrity friends and expensive clinics on other continents to do so.

Anyone who beats alcoholism is a hero, especially if they've done it by sheer force of will, and sheer force of will alone.

 

[worsleyweb]

You have (without no little skill) avoided answering the question properly.

One can only draw conclusions as to why.

Obviously the little girl would be more tragic having had a shorter life, but that doesnt mean the older bloke deserves to be left to die if he can be treated does it? Cancer is a horrible illness i wouldnt wish on anyone, and i would want whoever has it to battle and survive, no matter who they are.

Its not up to me to decide who is and who isnt allowed treatment whatever your illness, what do you advocate some sort of god like figure that goes through your entire life and decides whether you are allowed treatment or not? Sort of emotional means testing of life?

What conclusions have you drawn up then?

Well, firstly I appreciate you answering my question, which affords me the opportunity of responding properly.

I have never indicated or even intimated that anyone is deserving of death and of course I would want anyone to recover from a serious illness, of which alcoholism is most definitely one such affliction.

I don't advocate any omnipotent force for judgement, as I have previously posted, life isn't that simple.


And do you think gazza can beat it?

I merely state that to declare that everyone deserves an equal amount of sympathy for this terrible burden does a tremendous disservice to those who beat this condition without the assistance of their celebrity friends and expensive clinics on other continents to do so.

Anyone who beats alcoholism is a hero, especially if they've done it by sheer force of will, and sheer force of will alone.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Gazza is a decent bloke with major issues. I think he will be dead in five years. Shame but almost inevitable.

Unfortunately I doubt he'll see the year out. The booze seems to have taken a greater toll on him even than with Best.
I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see an epiphany his horizon.

You may be right. In cases like this could he not be locked up or certified insane for his own protection. Maybe have 2 years drying out. He spent hardly any time in that place in America and it was obvious he wasn't cured. What's the point charging him with assault etc. he is I'll and needs help. Like you say he is staring death in the face. As a national instituation why doesn't the country help him?

He's not a national institution though. He's just another chronic alcoholic who's only hope of help has to come himself right now. It's a shame but there it is.

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

I haven't written him off.

I genuinely believe that one day from somewhere deep within he will find the strength and the character to beat his illness and his demons.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Obviously the little girl would be more tragic having had a shorter life, but that doesnt mean the older bloke deserves to be left to die if he can be treated does it? Cancer is a horrible illness i wouldnt wish on anyone, and i would want whoever has it to battle and survive, no matter who they are.

Its not up to me to decide who is and who isnt allowed treatment whatever your illness, what do you advocate some sort of god like figure that goes through your entire life and decides whether you are allowed treatment or not? Sort of emotional means testing of life?

What conclusions have you drawn up then?

Well, firstly I appreciate you answering my question, which affords me the opportunity of responding properly.

I have never indicated or even intimated that anyone is deserving of death and of course I would want anyone to recover from a serious illness, of which alcoholism is most definitely one such affliction.

I don't advocate any omnipotent force for judgement, as I have previously posted, life isn't that simple.

I merely state that to declare that everyone deserves an equal amount of sympathy for this terrible burden does a tremendous disservice to those who beat this condition without the assistance of their celebrity friends and expensive clinics on other continents to do so.

Anyone who beats alcoholism is a hero, especially if they've done it by sheer force of will, and sheer force of will alone.

And do you think gazza can beat it?

I've already posted on this thread (on the previous two pages I believe) that, sadly, I think that is an unlikely prospect and I do speak with some authority on the subject.