Paul Gascoigne

[worsleyweb]

Well, firstly I appreciate you answering my question, which affords me the opportunity of responding properly.

I have never indicated or even intimated that anyone is deserving of death and of course I would want anyone to recover from a serious illness, of which alcoholism is most definitely one such affliction.

I don't advocate any omnipotent force for judgement, as I have previously posted, life isn't that simple.

I merely state that to declare that everyone deserves an equal amount of sympathy for this terrible burden does a tremendous disservice to those who beat this condition without the assistance of their celebrity friends and expensive clinics on other continents to do so.

Anyone who beats alcoholism is a hero, especially if they've done it by sheer force of will, and sheer force of will alone.

And do you think gazza can beat it?

I've already posted on this thread (on the previous two pages I believe) that, sadly, I think that is an unlikely prospect and I do speak with some authority on the subject.

Sorry gdt - I meant to say do you think, locking him up in a hospital or that place in America for 2 years would help him beat it. I am not trying to have an argument. I am just seeing if anything can stop what seems to be the inevitable?

 

[andyhinch]

Unfortunately I doubt he'll see the year out. The booze seems to have taken a greater toll on him even than with Best.
I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see an epiphany his horizon.

You may be right. In cases like this could he not be locked up or certified insane for his own protection. Maybe have 2 years drying out. He spent hardly any time in that place in America and it was obvious he wasn't cured. What's the point charging him with assault etc. he is I'll and needs help. Like you say he is staring death in the face. As a national instituation why doesn't the country help him?

He's not a national institution though. He's just another chronic alcoholic who's only hope of help has to come himself right now. It's a shame but there it is.

To an extent your right, plenty of drugs on the market to help with the physical addiction if he has that, there's help on the mental side out there, but at the end of the day you've got to put your head right one way or another and put what ever demons you've got to bed, not always easy working out what they are though

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And do you think gazza can beat it?

I've already posted on this thread (on the previous two pages I believe) that, sadly, I think that is an unlikely prospect and I do speak with some authority on the subject.

Sorry gdt - I meant to say do you think, locking him up in a hospital or that place in America for 2 years would help him beat it. I am not trying to have an argument. I am just seeing if anything can stop what seems to be the inevitable?

In my opinion, no.

I think he is beyond help, as much as a terminal cancer patient is beyond help. I am basing that upon the evidence in front of me, rather than anything emotive.

I claim to have no magic wand when it comes to this terrible disease merely the currency of a degree of experience of the subject matter.

I believe he is beyond help and will only stop drinking properly when he dies. It is a tragic closing curtain to what was once a life so full of promise, but that is my expectation.

It's very sad, but that is the reality imo.

 

[andyhinch]

I've already posted on this thread (on the previous two pages I believe) that, sadly, I think that is an unlikely prospect and I do speak with some authority on the subject.

Sorry gdt - I meant to say do you think, locking him up in a hospital or that place in America for 2 years would help him beat it. I am not trying to have an argument. I am just seeing if anything can stop what seems to be the inevitable?

In my opinion, no.

I think he is beyond help, as much as a terminal cancer patient is beyond help. I am basing that upon the evidence in front of me, rather than anything emotive.

I claim to have no magic wand when it comes to this terrible disease merely the currency of a degree of experience of the subject matter.

I believe he is beyond help and will only stop drinking properly when he dies. It is a tragic closing curtain to what was once a life so full of promise, but that is my expectation.

It's very sad, but that is the reality imo.

I can't 100% agree with you mate from my own experience having said that if I was having a bet I know where my money's going

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I can't 100% agree with you mate

I genuinely hope you're right. Certainly not looking for any point scoring opportunities here.

 

[shackattack]

He would have had more professional help than most people in the same situation but he needs to want to change for himself and its hard to see that he does. I think deep down he is a very lonely and insecure man and the drink is a way for him to hide this. The death of his childhood friend in front of his eyes obviously affected him.emotionally. he's probably a very genuine and caring guy but sadly the drink etc has taken over his life. To relapse is not a failing as all or most will. Unless its medically impossible he can pull through but its a long hard journey.

 

[andyhinch]

I can't 100% agree with you mate

I genuinely hope you're right. Certainly not looking for any point scoring opportunities here.

So do I, I should be dead you find away to sort it or you don't, it's a very strange place to be.

 

[shackattack]

Sadly for gascoigne he has the medical interventions and treatments but lapses full blown rapidly. So he comes out healthier possibly physically but emotionally he is in the same place so he relapses again and the cycle continues. Radical change of lifestyle and ridding himself of the parasites who feed off him and he has a chance.

 

[CTID1988]

He doesnt drink all the tiem though does he? Im sure i saw him saying he goes months without a drink then just goes on a massive 2 week bender, then he stops again for months. Its probably bollocks to keep people of his back though

 

[Stoned Rose]

There are some seriously shameful comments on this thread.