Paul Gascoigne

Just texted my mate who did go in and saw Mark Hughes.
He recalls it just being 'The Grove' there is a 'New Grove' both Holts, on Bury Old Road in Whitefield.
The Grove was quite a prominent building, stood on a bit of a hill on the left hand side of Bury New Road
as you drove towards Manchester. I never went in, ditto what appeared to be a small boozer
at the front of Boddingtons brewery. Went past loads of too, but never 'ticked it off', kind of look back and regret that, especially as I knew someone who worked at Boddies too.
 
He had a flat at Sandbanks a while ago, not sure he still lives there. I visited the nearby Tesco Express once and Gazza was coming in as I checked out. He looked quite well and I said “ Hi Paul” but he didn’t respond. A few weeks later at the shame location I saw Harry Redknapp, and he ignored me too.
 
He had a flat at Sandbanks a while ago, not sure he still lives there. I visited the nearby Tesco Express once and Gazza was coming in as I checked out. He looked quite well and I said “ Hi Paul” but he didn’t respond. A few weeks later at the shame location I saw Harry Redknapp, and he ignored me too.
That's probably why they call it the shame location.
 
Must have the Keith Richards genetics gene.

A lot of the rockstar stuff is exaggerated for sure.

I've worked as an assistant in a studio when Lemmy from Motorhead was there and obviously he has the reputation of drinking Jack Daniels and coke all day...well the measures he was putting in his glass were tiny, I'm talking like a few drops and 98% coke. He probably got through 1/10 of a bottle.

Not saying he never caned it at times in his life, no doubt he did but I believe a lot of it is just being seen to live up to the image.

Let's be real, Gazza is the result of truly caning it. If a lot of those rock stars did even half as much as reported, they'd be absolutely tragic cases like Gazza, who is a mess compared to what he was.
 
A lot of the rockstar stuff is exaggerated for sure.

I've worked as an assistant in a studio when Lemmy from Motorhead was there and obviously he has the reputation of drinking Jack Daniels and coke all day...well the measures he was putting in his glass were tiny, I'm talking like a few drops and 98% coke. He probably got through 1/10 of a bottle.

Not saying he never caned it at times in his life, no doubt he did but I believe a lot of it is just being seen to live up to the image.

Let's be real, Gazza is the result of truly caning it. If a lot of those rock stars did even half as much as reported, they'd be absolutely tragic cases like Gazza, who is a mess compared to what he was.
I've met more than a few who've absolutely caned it. They are incapable of functioning as normal human beings.

I did a placement with Surrey Ambulance service when I did my IEC Tech course a few years back. Around 9am one morning, we got called to a disturbance involving a group of local piss head's in Guilford Town centre. One if them had cut himself quite badly on a broken bottle. He refused hospital so we just had to patch him up. 6 hours later and we were back again to the same group. One of them was so pissed that he'd Grand-slammed (piss, shit & puke) and was unresponsive. We ended up taking him in, and the stench in the back of the ambulance was truly awful.

Alcoholism is a vile disease.
 
Alcoholism is a vile disease.
Fairly offensive to actually sick people to call alcoholism a disease.

Lung cancer is a disease. It happens to you regardless of your actions. Alcoholism is knowing you're doing something wrong and choosing to do it anyway. Nobody ever got drunk by slipping and landing in a pool of vodka that they were forced to drink their way out of.

When I went through rehab, the "addiction is a disease" thing just gave a bunch of people who were desperate to have a beer yet another excuse to have a beer. They were ill. Wasn't their fault. It's just something that happened to them. The rehab model that shows much more results stresses personal responsibility. Gazza isn't ill. He's not a victim. He creates victims in his family and friends.

There's 100 choices that you make when you decide to partake in whatever substance is your thing. You get dressed, you find your shoes, you ties your shoes, you walk out the door, you walk to the top of the street, you turn right (etc), you walk into the offy, you head for the beer, you pick up the beer, you purchase the beer, you walk back, you sit down with the beer, you open the beer, you take a swig of the beer, you take another swig of the beer, etc, etc. There's 100 decisions that you have a yes or no choice to make and for you to not drink, you only need to say no once. People drink because they want to. They make active choices to do so.

Saying that people have a drink because of mental health or trauma is a cop out. There's millions with mental health or PTSD who don't decide to piss their lives away, it's another excuse and addiction thrives off people giving them excuses to use. Once I knew a lad who said that he went out and got sniffed up because he had an argument with his missus, with him thinking this is a perfectly valid thing. I asked him why he didn't bang his head against a brick wall after he argued with his missus. It's the same idea. He did it because he wanted to and now had a convenient excuse to do so.

Outside the physical addiction which can be managed under hospital care, quitting substance abuse is the easiest thing in the entire world. All you have to do to stop drinking is stop putting beer in your mouth. Or drugs in your lungs/nose/veins. This mass overcomplicating and babying is not helpful and more importantly, doesn't produce results. If Gazza wants to kick drinking then all he has to do, is to stop putting beer in his mouth. Everything else is window dressing.
 
Fairly offensive to actually sick people to call alcoholism a disease.

Lung cancer is a disease. It happens to you regardless of your actions. Alcoholism is knowing you're doing something wrong and choosing to do it anyway. Nobody ever got drunk by slipping and landing in a pool of vodka that they were forced to drink their way out of.

When I went through rehab, the "addiction is a disease" thing just gave a bunch of people who were desperate to have a beer yet another excuse to have a beer. They were ill. Wasn't their fault. It's just something that happened to them. The rehab model that shows much more results stresses personal responsibility. Gazza isn't ill. He's not a victim. He creates victims in his family and friends.

There's 100 choices that you make when you decide to partake in whatever substance is your thing. You get dressed, you find your shoes, you ties your shoes, you walk out the door, you walk to the top of the street, you turn right (etc), you walk into the offy, you head for the beer, you pick up the beer, you purchase the beer, you walk back, you sit down with the beer, you open the beer, you take a swig of the beer, you take another swig of the beer, etc, etc. There's 100 decisions that you have a yes or no choice to make and for you to not drink, you only need to say no once. People drink because they want to. They make active choices to do so.

Saying that people have a drink because of mental health or trauma is a cop out. There's millions with mental health or PTSD who don't decide to piss their lives away, it's another excuse and addiction thrives off people giving them excuses to use. Once I knew a lad who said that he went out and got sniffed up because he had an argument with his missus, with him thinking this is a perfectly valid thing. I asked him why he didn't bang his head against a brick wall after he argued with his missus. It's the same idea. He did it because he wanted to and now had a convenient excuse to do so.

Outside the physical addiction which can be managed under hospital care, quitting substance abuse is the easiest thing in the entire world. All you have to do to stop drinking is stop putting beer in your mouth. Or drugs in your lungs/nose/veins. This mass overcomplicating and babying is not helpful and more importantly, doesn't produce results. If Gazza wants to kick drinking then all he has to do, is to stop putting beer in his mouth. Everything else is window dressing.
It a disease caused by life choices, in the same way smoking causes lung cancer and heart disease.
 
It’s Not just a case of stopping drinking though is it? An alcoholic can not just stop. They have to reduce their intake bit by bit until it becomes nothing. All the science tells you this.
The frustrations are bourne out amongst the loved ones of the alcoholic who are absolutely desperate for that person to quit and feel helpless.
I know - it happened to me with my ex of 18 years. She’d end up in hospital to detox, got clean in there, came out after many weeks and went straight back on it again. Her family in the main have distanced themselves from her, including her two children. Her sister remains as the sole person still looking out for her but she herself has suffered so much because of it that she has had to undergo counselling therapy. It’s a right mess. The last thing I heard was that my ex was in the care of social services mental health team and now has her own alcohol support worker. I also heard that she was back in hospital. The choices she has made are abysmal and like Gazza she seems unable to make good ones. Tragic really.
 

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