Paul Mariner RIP

There's a feature on Marriner on TS right now.

A vastly underrated player. I can still recall England playing Hungary I think, away, and him telling an opposition player to Foxtrot Oscar, and Motson/Davies saying something on the telephone commentary like "well....It looks like Marriner's told him to go away "

Scored the goal to get England to Espana 82

RIP
 
Gabriel said:
A mainstay for the great Ipswich Town side of the late 1970s. RIP.
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That was the team that brought in Fransen and Thijssen, wasn't it? (Spelling a bit shaky). I always think of that as the beginning of a sea change in English football, prior to Ardiles and Villa. The beginnings of skills from abroad. Skillful team. Could have won the league.
 
A shame Arsenal waiting so long to acknowledge his death on social media as it would have overshadowed their new signing and subsequent adverts to purchase his new shirt.

Just shows you what some clubs are like.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
That was the team that brought in Fransen and Thijssen, wasn't it? (Spelling a bit shaky). I always think of that as the beginning of a sea change in English football, prior to Ardiles and Villa. The beginnings of skills from abroad. Skillful team. Could have won the league.
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Muhren and Thijssen .Ipswich had a great team who could have won more if Bobby Robson hadnt taken the England job. Was an achievement for us to beat them in '81 semi as they were pushing for the league and also won EUFA Cup that year. Maybe the number of games caught up with them.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
That was the team that brought in Fransen and Thijssen, wasn't it? (Spelling a bit shaky). I always think of that as the beginning of a sea change in English football, prior to Ardiles and Villa. The beginnings of skills from abroad. Skillful team. Could have won the league.
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It was Arnold Muhren

Yes... and City had Dragoslav Stepanovich.....
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
That was the team that brought in Fransen and Thijssen, wasn't it? (Spelling a bit shaky). I always think of that as the beginning of a sea change in English football, prior to Ardiles and Villa. The beginnings of skills from abroad. Skillful team. Could have won the league.
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In the 1930s, the FA had decreed that a player had to have resided in the U.K. for two years before they could turn out for an English side, though that obviously didn’t apply to players from the other home countries and Eire. There were exceptions, of course, but that policy remained in place for nearly half a century. In 1978, the EC, forerunner of the EU, decided that there should be no restrictions on players plying their trade, and the FA subsequently lifted its ban.

I suppose everyone has their favourite exotic foreigner from that era (Sabella at Sheffield United, Deyna for us), but I’ve always wondered when did that sense of exoticism rub off?
 
Gabriel said:
In the 1930s, the FA had decreed that a player had to have resided in the U.K. for two years before they could turn out for an English side, though that obviously didn’t apply to players from the other home countries and Eire. There were exceptions, of course, but that policy remained in place for nearly half a century. In 1978, the EC, forerunner of the EU, decided that there should be no restrictions on players plying their trade, and the FA subsequently lifted its ban.

I suppose everyone has their favourite exotic foreigner from that era (Sabella at Sheffield United, Deyna for us), but I’ve always wondered when did that sense of exoticism rub off?
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Never knew of the 2 year rule. Was Bert Trautmann here 2 years?
 
Gabriel said:
He was captured in 1945 so had been in the country three years before he started playing football.
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The EC ruling can only have applied to European nationals, though. They had no authority for the rest of the world. And clearly the F.A. decided to lift it for all players, from everywhere. Because Ardiles and Villa were from Argentina.

Also, must have been a one-way thing even prior to the F.A. lifting of the restriction. Because Law of course went to Torino much earlier. Didn't pose any problems for the Italians.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
The EC ruling can only have applied to European nationals, though. They had no authority for the rest of the world. And clearly the F.A. decided to lift it for all players, from everywhere. Because Ardiles and Villa were from Argentina.

Also, must have been a one-way thing even prior to the F.A. lifting of the restriction. Because Law of course went to Torino much earlier. Didn't pose any problems for the Italians.
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Yes, indeed Law and Baker went out in 1961 and others had gone before. It was actually more of an English ‘problem’, as a small number of Scandinavian players had already enjoyed success in Scotland in the 1960s as well. The ruling had been introduced in the 1930s at the time of the depression, and some argue that it was part of a wider policy of controlling immigration and protecting domestic employment.

This is a rather longish blog piece but a fascinating read so worth persevering with.

https://abohemiansportinglife.wordp...gn-footballers-in-early-20th-century-britain/
 
@Gabriel
It's not too long. And published on my birthday (not the year!) so a sign that I had to read it. Easily the most staggering part of it to me is this:

Under this legislation, British women lost their British citizenship upon marriage to a foreign citizen, even if the woman in question did not acquire her husband’s nationality.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
@Gabriel
It's not too long. And published on my birthday (not the year!) so a sign that I had to read it. Easily the most staggering part of it to me is this:

Under this legislation, British women lost their British citizenship upon marriage to a foreign citizen, even if the woman in question did not acquire her husband’s nationality.
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Ha ha, yes, it’s full of fascinating little nuggets. I was particularly struck by the criticism of the Austrian goalkeeper Hilden, and his tendency to use his feet too much! Attitudes toward immigration and goalkeeping in Britain seem to be intertwined…
 
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