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manimanc
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http://www.skysports.com/share/10498349
Sky sports tongue well and truly up Pogba's arse.
You got to applaud the desperation.
Sky sports tongue well and truly up Pogba's arse.
You got to applaud the desperation.
cucumberman
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The article shot themselves in the foot there with the spider diagram. Pogba's stats against the Serie A average looks visually superior, but when compared against the numbers of the PL average, his is actually far below PL standards in all dimensions. pogbas shots average per 90 is 1.2 for example compared to the PL standards of 3.8, and this between an attacking player and a sample population inclusive of defenders and goalkeepers or exclusively midfielders it doesn't matter. Point is as an attacking threat, Pogba's numbers are below PL standards.
If anything the graph is telling the standards of Seria A against PL
gordondaviesmoustache
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By offering them £100 million?
Not sure you've thought that one through......
colin's bell helmet
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Serie A is a far more defensive league and nowhere near as open as the premier league though so you can't really compare a player in serie A to premier league averages.
City_Sean
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The real joke here is that you're forgetting who Pogba's agent is.
Was browsing GOT seeing if they had any info about Stones and saw this in another thread, what do you reckon? Bullshit?
'The Juventuz forum has a resident ITK who goes by the name zizinho and he feeds them information from inside sources exactly like The Esk does here. Aparently he has a very good track record with all things Juventus related.
I'll copy and paste this post from their forum, regarding Pogba/Mata. Please don't attack me or call me a 'Kopite', I'm just passing on what I have read this morning. It could be a steaming pile of rubbish, it could have some truth in it, it could be 100% accurate. We'll all find out in time.
(Bear with me, it's quite long winded)
OK guys, can we get serious for a moment here. i got a new message from my fratello in Turin, and im happy to say he bring us good news (for now). according to him, there is a clause in Pogbas contract that makes his former club earn 15% of his future sale. in this case, its United both as the former club and as the buying club, so no matter how much they pay to us, we need to give 15% back. and this is where the negotiations stalled. United (for now) isnt willing to go over 130M. thats a huge offer yes, but it will see them return 19.5M of that, so we would get less than 110M. we want atleast 120M going to us however, so United will have to offer over 140M for Paul, 142M in total to be precise. this way we will earn 120.7M and United will get 21.3M back. we also want to include bonuses in the deal, such as an extra 10M if Pogba wins the balon dor in the next 5 years and 5M if United wins the UCL in the next 3 years. United has no problem with the bonuses apparently, but they arent willing to go over 130M at the moment. they also have to pay provision to Raiola of 25M (5M per year during the next 5 years) so overall, even for them its too expensive at the moment.
on the other hand, we might be getting a United player, regardless of how the Pogba saga ends. you guys remember how i was telling you in the "Behind the curtains thread", how my fratello told me that Woodward was in Turin sometime in April? well, now we know which players were discussed back then. its Mata, Darmian and Depay. United offered Mata to us back then and they even tried to include him into the Pogba deal now, but the answer from Marotta (Allegri) is still the same as in April - "hes too lazy for Juve". Depay seems like a real possibility at the moment, Mourinho doesent count on him and Paratici really likes the player. United is willing to offer him on a discount, 15M price to us if we sell Pogba, otherwise we will have to pay the full price of 25M. as for Darmian, the answer from United is no. Mourinho counts on him and told Woodward to not sell him.
My fratello told me about Pjanic being a done deal 10 days before it happened, and he even told me about Vidal and Coman going to Bayern last summer, Padoin to Cagliari this summer, and deals like Pereyra to Napoli, Hernanes to Benfica and Benatia to us, which are all close to finalization
they already made 2 official bids, they were offering 120M before the Euro and 130M few days ago. both were rejected by us (because they would be getting 15% of that back, and we would get less than 120M which is how much we want). they apparently managed to agree a deal for Mata for a pretty good sum which gave them a financial boost to make a higher bid now. Mourinho really wants Paul, hes their absolute priority so they made a bid of 140M + the bonuses we asked for now. our demands are very close to their bid, we ask 142M which would see us earn 120M, and with the 15M bonuses thats a great deal for us.
my fratello is rarely wrong, he informed me about Nedved agreeing everything with Pjanic in Switzerland 10 days before the deal was official and other transfer last 2 summers, as i told you guys in the Behind the curtains thread, so i trust him a lot.'
'The Juventuz forum has a resident ITK who goes by the name zizinho and he feeds them information from inside sources exactly like The Esk does here. Aparently he has a very good track record with all things Juventus related.
I'll copy and paste this post from their forum, regarding Pogba/Mata. Please don't attack me or call me a 'Kopite', I'm just passing on what I have read this morning. It could be a steaming pile of rubbish, it could have some truth in it, it could be 100% accurate. We'll all find out in time.
(Bear with me, it's quite long winded)
OK guys, can we get serious for a moment here. i got a new message from my fratello in Turin, and im happy to say he bring us good news (for now). according to him, there is a clause in Pogbas contract that makes his former club earn 15% of his future sale. in this case, its United both as the former club and as the buying club, so no matter how much they pay to us, we need to give 15% back. and this is where the negotiations stalled. United (for now) isnt willing to go over 130M. thats a huge offer yes, but it will see them return 19.5M of that, so we would get less than 110M. we want atleast 120M going to us however, so United will have to offer over 140M for Paul, 142M in total to be precise. this way we will earn 120.7M and United will get 21.3M back. we also want to include bonuses in the deal, such as an extra 10M if Pogba wins the balon dor in the next 5 years and 5M if United wins the UCL in the next 3 years. United has no problem with the bonuses apparently, but they arent willing to go over 130M at the moment. they also have to pay provision to Raiola of 25M (5M per year during the next 5 years) so overall, even for them its too expensive at the moment.
on the other hand, we might be getting a United player, regardless of how the Pogba saga ends. you guys remember how i was telling you in the "Behind the curtains thread", how my fratello told me that Woodward was in Turin sometime in April? well, now we know which players were discussed back then. its Mata, Darmian and Depay. United offered Mata to us back then and they even tried to include him into the Pogba deal now, but the answer from Marotta (Allegri) is still the same as in April - "hes too lazy for Juve". Depay seems like a real possibility at the moment, Mourinho doesent count on him and Paratici really likes the player. United is willing to offer him on a discount, 15M price to us if we sell Pogba, otherwise we will have to pay the full price of 25M. as for Darmian, the answer from United is no. Mourinho counts on him and told Woodward to not sell him.
My fratello told me about Pjanic being a done deal 10 days before it happened, and he even told me about Vidal and Coman going to Bayern last summer, Padoin to Cagliari this summer, and deals like Pereyra to Napoli, Hernanes to Benfica and Benatia to us, which are all close to finalization
they already made 2 official bids, they were offering 120M before the Euro and 130M few days ago. both were rejected by us (because they would be getting 15% of that back, and we would get less than 120M which is how much we want). they apparently managed to agree a deal for Mata for a pretty good sum which gave them a financial boost to make a higher bid now. Mourinho really wants Paul, hes their absolute priority so they made a bid of 140M + the bonuses we asked for now. our demands are very close to their bid, we ask 142M which would see us earn 120M, and with the 15M bonuses thats a great deal for us.
my fratello is rarely wrong, he informed me about Nedved agreeing everything with Pjanic in Switzerland 10 days before the deal was official and other transfer last 2 summers, as i told you guys in the Behind the curtains thread, so i trust him a lot.'
cucumberman
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I've heard of this argument for a while now, and I'm not sure it stands. Stats must be countered with stats so I did a check of defensive factors between Serie A and PL teams and they are no different defensive wise actually. I've tried against other clubs and each comparison didn't show the defensive superiority of the Seria A throughtout its league.
That's a good read so cheers for posting it (true or not)... the only bit I don't get (and why I've only quoted part of it) was the bit I've put in bold.
They see Mata as too lazy for Juve, yet are dead keen on Depay!!?! Wtf! Depay if anything is lazier on the pitch than Mata, and Mata would thrive in the Italian league. Weird one that!
Don't know if he's legit or what but 120 mil (guessing that's Euro's!?) Is crazy money! It's what you'd expect to see a Chinese Super League team pay for someone, not the supposed team who "build their teams not buy them...", which we all know, is bullshit.
Most of this seems like rubbish. Firstly it doesn't seem plausible that there is a 15% sell on clause. Didn't Pogba leave the rags by running down his contract? How would the rags have managed to include a 15% sell on clause for a player who was running down their contract?
Secondly, if there was a 15% sell on clause, don't you think they'd find a way around it if they were themselves buying Pogba back? Why would they be constrained by the clause they themselves put in?! It doesn't make sense.
Thirdly, like the poster above says, isn't Depay is much lazier than Mata?
I don't buy any of it.
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