They needed a CB and some of them were on about getting a new LB. That said they have needed a striker since ages and they still havn't go one. Infact they pretty decent cover in midfield in Coquelin, Wilshere, Ramsey, Elneny. They only really have two star names in Sanchez and Ozil and most of the big clubs are stocked in that position (PSG, Real, Barca).
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I am not sure rags have " a lot of ground to make up" on us, we were ahead of them only on goal difference last season. If it had not been for our flying start, 5 wins in first 5 games, we would have finished mid-table. We should not underestimate them next season, with Mourinho they will have a lot of self belief. They have bought better than us so far and they look most likely to get Pogba.
I didn't mean just us, though I agree to an extent. I just don't think their signings, plus potentially Pogba, are enough to turn them into title favourites without even waiting to see what other teams will acquire.
I don't think United have that much ground to make up on anyone. We were basically tied on points. So we were equally as poor. We both had major injuries, and coaches who fans thought were poor.
You have to build a team in the end. But on the evidence if accumulated established talent, they'd have the edge if they signed Pogba.
We have a stronger squad and a better manager.
Further, I'd argue that with Pogba their Summer splurge is finished while ours would be just begun. And Pogba is amazing but he's not a world record smashing player, not yet anyway.
Either which way, they sign Pogba and by your estimation they edge it, but we haven't finished adding talent and all it takes is a Toni Kroos or the like to tilt the scales heavily in our favor
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Not in a million years mate. Pogba IF IF IF!!!! he goes, will not turn the other 10 players in to world beaters. Quite a lot said the same when di maria signed! how did that pan out?
Same for Falcao, again how did that pan out? There other transfers have been WHO! Apart from the old man zlatan, and thats just for shirt sales. The rest of there team are utter shite. Lets see how everybodys starting XI will be before we all run around saying game over already. Jesus!!!!!
Ibra, Mkhitaryan and Pogba are all world-class mate. Martial, DDG are also top class. Together with a manager that'll do anything to win, they'll be favourites.
Cheadle Blue
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I know it doesn't really mean anything, but footballers these days seem to use it as an attention seeking thing, before a move. Pogba has started following some of the rag players recently on instatwat, or whatever it is. Depay is his mate granted, but messi lingaard won't be.
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Ibra is not world class and you don't know if Mkhitaryan is !Ibra, Mkhitaryan and Pogba are all world-class mate. Martial, DDG are also top class. Together with a manager that'll do anything to win, they'll be favourites.
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More than happy for them to be seen as favourites big pressure for them!
I think people are underestimating the Pellegrini factor when blowing smoke up utds arses for finishing close to us.
A manager who is forward thinking and flexible would have had us 10 clear of them.
Bingo. However I reckon you are doing them a favour at 10 points clear.
City are 12/5 favourites to win the title.More than happy for them to be seen as favourites big pressure for them!
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City are 12/5 favourites to win the title.
That's nice of them.
marc_mcfc
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If u
If united sign pogba I doubt very much we will be able to get kroos
I didn't mean just us, though I agree to an extent. I just don't think their signings, plus potentially Pogba, are enough to turn them into title favourites without even waiting to see what other teams will acquire.
We have a stronger squad and a better manager.
Further, I'd argue that with Pogba their Summer splurge is finished while ours would be just begun. And Pogba is amazing but he's not a world record smashing player, not yet anyway.
Either which way, they sign Pogba and by your estimation they edge it, but we haven't finished adding talent and all it takes is a Toni Kroos or the like to tilt the scales heavily in our favor
If united sign pogba I doubt very much we will be able to get kroos
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I think people are underestimating the Pellegrini factor when blowing smoke up utds arses for finishing close to us.
A manager who is forward thinking and flexible would have had us 10 clear of them.
Agreed
Guardiola would have pissed the league last year with what we had
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If united sign pogba I doubt very much we will be able to get kroos
Maybe, though if he wants to come and we meet his release clause, that's another issue.
Anyway, it's not necessarily Kroos, but a few more good signings would certainly go a long way to putting us back in the stronger position. We already have De Bruyne and Aguero, both infinitely better than Zlatan and Mkhitaryan and Bailey's hardly a marquee signing for any club in the top half of the PL. Pogba certainly would be a coup, albeit a hilarious one for them, but he alone isn't enough to somehow make United a better team than what we have with Pep Guardiola in charge. Then when we add more...
In fairness I'm assuming what are final incoming list will be the following:I didn't mean just us, though I agree to an extent. I just don't think their signings, plus potentially Pogba, are enough to turn them into title favourites without even waiting to see what other teams will acquire.
We have a stronger squad and a better manager.
Further, I'd argue that with Pogba their Summer splurge is finished while ours would be just begun. And Pogba is amazing but he's not a world record smashing player, not yet anyway.
Either which way, they sign Pogba and by your estimation they edge it, but we haven't finished adding talent and all it takes is a Toni Kroos or the like to tilt the scales heavily in our favor
Gundogan
Nolito
Zichencho
Rulli
Sane
Stones
Peres
I really don't see how we get Kroos if United gets Pogba. The basis for us getting Kroos disappears if Pogba goes to United. So like I said if they get Pogba, I think that gives then the edge, not only coz they get him but also because it more or less guarantees that we are not getting Kroos.
If my above list, which already at 7 seems alot, is where we stop, United's 4 were they to get Pogba gives them an acquisition edge in terms of proven quality.
That said, like I pointed out you still have to build a squad out of your pieces regardless of how talented your acquisitions are. So it doesn't guarantee anything in terms of trophies, but on paper it's hard to argue the most moat sort after midfielder in Italy, the most productive striker in France and the most productive midfielder in Germany does not equate a better haul.
In statistical numbers
Zlatan was the highest rated player in France, Pogba in Italy and Mhkt in Germany. It's hard to argue against any team that gets all 3.
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Not in a million years mate. Pogba IF IF IF!!!! he goes, will not turn the other 10 players in to world beaters. Quite a lot said the same when di maria signed! how did that pan out?
Same for Falcao, again how did that pan out? There other transfers have been WHO! Apart from the old man zlatan, and thats just for shirt sales. The rest of there team are utter shite. Lets see how everybodys starting XI will be before we all run around saying game over already. Jesus!!!!!
Signing zlatan, pogba, the guy from Dortmund is already a huge improvement of talent from last year. No comparison between zlatan and Falcao, he never recovered from his knee injury. Zlatan looks like he's getting better with age, never mind declining. I look at our squad and think we've got a lot of average players, just like United. Neither squad is anything near perfect. They finished just behind us last season and some of our fans are claiming their light years behind us, that's delusion in my eyes.
I think that's a copout. Their Manager wasn't that good either, not to mention Sane Pelegrini walked the league his first year with us. So clearly he isnt useless, even if not great. Even if we assume we won the league in spite of him the first year, what our poor form last season showed, was that we weren't talented enough to overcome an average Manager. United can argue the same with their Manager.I think people are underestimating the Pellegrini factor when blowing smoke up utds arses for finishing close to us.
A manager who is forward thinking and flexible would have had us 10 clear of them.
Zlatan, Martial, Pogba, Mhkt, and De Gea are either WX or bordering on it. That's 5 players. Rashford, a depreciating Rooney, Shneiderlien, Shaw are quite solid footballers. This pretense that they are a bunch scrubs is quite strange.
This. Both teams needed additions they would have added 3 class talents. And if they don't get injured just like we are hoping we don't, they'll be in it all season.Signing zlatan, pogba, the guy from Dortmund is already a huge improvement of talent from last year. No comparison between zlatan and Falcao, he never recovered from his knee injury. Zlatan looks like he's getting better with age, never mind declining. I look at our squad and think we've got a lot of average players, just like United. Neither squad is anything near perfect. They finished just behind us last season and some of our fans are claiming their light years behind us, that's delusion in my eyes.
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Hate to say it but would seriously start to worry about the rags if they got Pogba after signing Mkhitaryan, Zlatan and Bailly...Important we stay ahead of the game this summer....
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Man United are prepared to break the world transfer record to sign Paul Pogba, and could bid £100m for him. (Source: Daily Telegraph)
Are you just a natural worrier?
Do you honestly believe they will get Pogba?
mosssideblue
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Pretty stupid trying to imagine we can stop Utd buying a team. They have money to spend & can sign who they like, if those players are willing to come.
Pretty sure if Pep saw Pogba as worth the money & we thought he might sign for us, we would go all out for him. Pep is the manager.
We don't however, sign a player because we're worried he might sign for Utd.
Spot on. Some on here don't seem to recognise what we have
In fairness I'm assuming what are final incoming list will be the following:
Gundogan
Nolito
Zichencho
Rulli
Sane
Stones
Peres
I really don't see how we get Kroos if United gets Pogba. The basis for us getting Kroos disappears if Pogba goes to United. So like I said if they get Pogba, I think that gives then the edge, not only coz they get him but also because it more or less guarantees that we are not getting Kroos.
If my above list, which already at 7 seems alot, is where we stop, United's 4 were they to get Pogba gives them an acquisition edge in terms of proven quality.
That said, like I pointed out you still have to build a squad out of your pieces regardless of how talented your acquisitions are. So it doesn't guarantee anything in terms of trophies, but on paper it's hard to argue the most moat sort after midfielder in Italy, the most productive striker in France and the most productive midfielder in Germany does not equate a better haul.
In statistical numbers
Zlatan was the highest rated player in France, Pogba in Italy and Mhkt in Germany. It's hard to argue against any team that gets all 3.
Kroos was just an example, we've been linked to a fair amount of players otherwise.
You're making an assumption about how many players we will sign, which is OK, but that doesn't look at the full picture. Sure, if you weigh up Gundogan, Nolito, Sane, Stones and Zinchenko against Mkhitaryan, Zlatan, Pogba and Bailey, then on the face of it you would think United have the better signings and are thus in the better position. However, as I said before, we start in a position arguably better to begin with and simply weren't used effectively enough.
It's also easy to point out "Player X was the highest rated player in country X" but then, look at Otamendi, that doesn't necessarily hold water at all. Zlatan was the highest rated striker in one of the easiest leagues/teams in Europe to be a goal scorer. Mkhitaryan played on a squad leaps and bounds ahead of where United is right now. Pogba is Pogba.
The reality is we aren't done making signings and we already have an exceptionally strong squad teeming with talent. Even assuming we stop where you suggest we stop, a lineup with Aguero, Nolito, Sane, De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Fernandinho, Stones, Kompany, Sagna, etc still looks hard to beat, particularly with Pep at the helm.
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