Paul Pogba

[RightTurnClyde]

Give it another week or two and it'll be being reported on Sky that Pogba is paying out of his own pocket just to play for the Stretford lot.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Sky sports understand the rags won't pay the agent fees?

Gill said this but it's not quite true.

They pay the player the gross amount, who then pays the agent from the net amount after tax. So if Raiola wants £20m, they'll pay Pogba an extra £40m (assuming tax at 50%). So strictly speaking they're not paying the agent but actually it's costing them twice as much.

 

[FanchesterCity]

No. What I am saying is that the £89m fee is offset by the 30% sell-on clause. i.e. they are paying 70% of the total fee as the balance is payable to themselves. 70% of £127m is, guess what, £89m.

The £800,000 was compensation at the time and not related to future transfers


Really don't understand what's so hard to comprehend about that?

It's simple enough to understand - but you are still suggesting a 30% sell on clause existed when it almost certainly didn't.
Juventus had no need to agree to such a clause because Pogba was a free agent and they only needed to pay the statutory minimum compensation.

This 30% almost certainly never existed. What led you to think it was possibility?

 

[west didsblue]

£89m + £20m agent fees. Any add ons if he/they are successful?

An extra €5m.

Total fee with add ons is €110m which with the exchange rate at 1.17308 equates to £93.77m.

Presumably if it's a 5 year deal, his reported wages can be increased by £77K per week to cover the £20m agent fee which brings it up to £377K per week.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Gill said this but it's not quite true.

They pay the player the gross amount, who then pays the agent from the net amount after tax. So if Raiola wants £20m, they'll pay Pogba an extra £40m (assuming tax at 50%). So strictly speaking they're not paying the agent but actually it's costing them twice as much.

It would be cheaper to pay the agent directly than through Pogba via PAYE. But they can spread and hide the cost through his salary.

 

[Matty]

An extra €5m.

Total fee with add ons is €110m which with the exchange rate at 1.17308 equates to £93.77m.

Presumably if it's a 5 year deal, his reported wages can be increased by £77K per week to cover the £20m agent fee which brings it up to £377K per week.

It's actually 2 extra amounts of €5m, so €10m in reality. €5m in as yet undefined "add ons" and €5m if at any point he signs a new contract at United.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Except it's not the easy option to blame Txiki. Criticising anybody who works for the club I care about more than any other is never the easy option, and criticising the man whose presence at the club was chiefly responsible for bringing us Pep Guardiola is also not the easy option. But that doesn't mean I can't look at Txiki's overall performance in the transfer market, and the performances of the first team under his leadership, and not feel a little disappointed in him.

When Mancini and Garry Cook were understandably replaced during the 12/13 season, we were sold a vision of holism that would apparently benefit many things, including our efficiency in the transfer market, but looking at the evidence that hasn't turned out to be the case. After the clusterfuck of the 2012 summer window anything would look like an improvement, but the reality is that we have under-performed in terms of player recruitment and squad management since Begiristain arrived at the club.

We have spent upwards of £300m since the summer of 2013 (excluding this summer) and yet we've taken steps backwards. Of the 14 first team signings we've made since then (excluding this summer), only three have improved the first team long term: De Bruyne, Fernandinho, Sagna. The rest either were not good enough (Jovetic, Caballero, Bony, Fernando, Mangala), haven't shown their full potential yet (Sterling, Delph), failed to sustain the form they showed early on in their City careers (Navas, Demichelis), or left under mysterious circumstances (Negredo).

In this time we also dismantled the core of a title-winning squad and fell from 1st to 4th (joint 5th if we're being harsh), failing to replace the likes of Lescott, Milner and Dzeko - players whose time at the club had definitely come to an end but were too important to lose without adequate replacements. Considering he's in charge of transfers, squad management and player recruitment, Txiki has to take the blame for this.

This summer got off to a good start, with the early arrivals of Gundogan and Nolito, but a disastrous commercial venture in China (admittedly a Soriano idea) has left our squad unprepared for the first few games of the season and we're facing the prospect of starting the season with Fernando and Kolarov (two players who should be nowhere near a Pep Guardiola team) as our CBs. We didn't go out and buy a defender early on in the window when it was clearly an area of serious concern. Instead we're haggling over £4-5m for Stones when just two years ago we were throwing upwards of £40m at Porto for Mangala.

And now the most sought after player in world football has gone to our greatest rivals when we could have signed him last summer for considerably less than the world record fee. Yes, big deals are complicated, but players like Pogba are worth the hassle to acquire. Instead, we moved too late in that particular and now face losing out on the Premier League title because we didn't act first. That is down to Txiki Begiristain.

So no, it's not the easy option, but it's where I place the blame.

I find it hard to disagree with all of that.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

It's actually 2 extra amounts of €5m, so €10m in reality. €5m in as yet undefined "add ons" and €5m if at any point he signs a new contract at United.

What an absolutely bizarre clause to have if they truly expect him to stay for how long they think he will

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Interesting that the rags announced it at midnight. Peak evening time in the USA and peak morning time for the plastics in the Far East. But most of their season ticket holders will have been tucked up in bed blissfully unaware.

Why don't they just drop the 'Manchester' in their name? Its not like it's even geographically correct.

 

[CTID1988]

He was only ever going there, just look at him. How come all scum players have that cunty look about them.