Pellegrini Thread

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don't want to tell anyone their job but I really do actually. the pelle thread saw more in depth talk about our season than the rest of the forum put together, it's shit when it gets pulled because someone starts getting personal. so as posters, let's all behave ourselves. but if (some would say when) it gets personal again, couldn't the mods hand out temporary bans to the offenders rather than take the thread away from everyone?
 
Damocles said:
He's no Steve Coppell.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here. The manager made no investments, our DoF did, the same under the previous manager.

Our manager has won nothing in European competition despite 20 years within it. Madridistas called him Pelleegrini. Thee aren't subjective jabs, they are verifiable facts.

Nobody is upset with the manager. Some are more convinced than others. That's ok, nobody needs this type of dogmatic shite again. It's a post that is dying for someone to pull out one sentence and turn it into a 6 month argument and it's absolute bollocks.

The manager is doing ok. His subs are questionable against lower opposition and have cos us points this year. The defence is dodgy due to this and injury.

Outside of those comments, this thread is meaningless.

Hahahahahahhahahahaha!

Just when you thought the last of the Robertohicans had slipped off over the horizon forever, out comes the daddy of them all. Fucking Damocles.

Brilliant stuff. Fucking brilliant. "Doing ok". "Made no investments".

Oh my life, I thought you'd learnt your lesson.
 
Damocles said:
George Hannah said:
It is a mark of great respect to have so much meaning conferred in a single post.

My point is, the manager is Jesus Christ with those exceptions. He has done wonders for City and those are the only possible negative opinions that anyone could draw so I was hoping to get it out of the way early so we can all get on with our lives.

A Pelleegrini refers to a "bottler" essentially if I understood it right, again, tread the fucking post before this one line though
are you sure it wasn't Pellegrino? there's a brand of bottled water called Pellegrino.
 
Nice article (for once) in the Torygraph about him:

Manchester City have become a club associated with big numbers: from Abu Dhabi’s eye-watering investment, to transfer fees to financial results.

Here is a flurry of other figures: on Sunday, if City score at Newcastle United, they will have scored more times already this season, in all competitions, than the whole of the last campaign. If City continue at this prolific rate they will beat Chelsea’s record in a Premier League season - 103 goals - and they will also surpass the tally of 102 achieved by Manuel Pellegrini’s Real Madrid in his one remarkable campaign at the Bernabéu.

The City manager offered up the first and last of these remarkable statistics himself on Friday lunchtime, which for a man who professes not to be interested “in the past” was telling.

Records evidently do matter for Pellegrini. So does reputation - and philosophy. He is keeping a reckoning, especially when it comes to scoring goals and proving to Madrid that they were wrong to sack him after that season in charge, in 2009-10.

That year not only saw Real achieve a century of goals, but also accumulate an extraordinary points total of 96, the highest the club had ever achieved at that time, only to still finish second to Pep Guardiola’s Barcelona.

It is why it still hurts Pellegrini that he was sacked by Real. “Well, whatever I think, we did pretty good work there,” he said. “We just had an incredible Barcelona team against us at that time and needed to do better.”

So much is made of City’s Barca links, with their axis of chief executive Ferran Soriano and director of football Txiki Begiristain. Pellegrini name-checked the pair as he explained why he had chosen to join City ahead of other clubs who had made him offers last summer.

“It was a very important part of the decision because Manchester City went for me to come here,” Pellegrini said. “It was not my agent touting me. I was very happy at Malaga and I always said if I couldn’t carry on at Malaga I would study where I can go.

“I had also other options with important clubs in different countries, but the most important reason why I came here was because Manchester City wanted to play the way I wanted.”

That attacking, possession-based style of play has been portrayed as a desire to emulate Barcelona. For Pellegrini, it is the galacticos of Real Madrid that he wants to recreate and improve - to show that they were wrong to jettison him so prematurely.

“Yes, very similar,” Pellegrini said, when asked if he was adopting the same playing style that he had used in Madrid.

“It was a big shame that I just had one season at Real Madrid. In that season we scored 102 goals in the whole season and 96 points. It was the best record in Real Madrid for that moment [since surpassed by Jose Mourinho with 121 goals and 100 points in 2011-12].”

Pellegrini’s one campaign also forced him to integrate £250 million worth of talent - players bought for him rather than by him - at one time: players that included Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka and Karim Benzema. He had to do so knowing that he was not the first choice as coach. He was always on borrowed time; time he will be afforded at City.

City also spent lavishly on their forward line last summer with Alvaro Negredo, Jesus Navas and Stevan Jovetic, who is still injured, augmenting an attack that already included Sergio Agüero, who should return from injury in midweek, and Edin Dzeko.

A goal at St James’ Park today would be their 93rd in only 33 matches - bettering last season’s total of 92, which included the Community Shield, and which was accrued over 52 games.

City have 57 league goals, from 20 matches, at a rate of 2.85 goals a game - Chelsea’s record, set under Carlo Ancelotti in 2009-10, of 103 would be beaten by five if Pellegrini’s team continue at that rate. “There are lots of ways to play and I chose a creative way,” Pellegrini said. “I want to have a good team playing the way that I want.”

Indeed, the manager recalled a conversation he had with his players earlier in the season when they lost to away to Cardiff City and then drew at Stoke City. “We are going to play the same way,” Pellegrini said. City then lost away to Aston Villa. “We are going to play the same way,” the manager repeated.

They lost to Sunderland and Chelsea. The style stayed the same and City have not lost since, having won eight of their last nine league games, only dropping points with the draw at Southampton. In that time they have scored 29 times as their strike-rate has accelerated.

Tellingly, they also sit top of the form table for matches between the top 10 clubs - having collected 22 points from nine matches; four ahead of second-placed Everton.

City’s free-scoring football, the improvement of their form and the return of Vincent Kompany to the defence - “I think we are a different team when Kompany plays,” Pellegrini conceded - has added to the belief that this campaign cannot only end in silverware but in gaining it in more than one competition.

“It’s impossible to know,” is Pellegrini’s circumspect response. “But I think you have more chances if you continue playing the same way - I think you have chances to do it.”

Neither will Pellegrini compromise that attacking, “creative” style – even if the occasion suits. After all, even a purist such as Arsène Wenger turned pragmatic to win a trophy in the way he chose to stifle Manchester United in the 2005 FA  Cup final.

“You can change. Of course, you can,” Pellegrini said. “Because during that game you might not be doing things well. But you cannot change the style when you have to play an important game. You must tell the players: ‘No, we are not going to change’ or you work every day and you play a different way.

“I repeat, for me, in my evaluation of what I did in my career is exactly the same even if I have one title more or one title less. But I am absolutely sure I’ll be very happy here if I can win a title in England with Manchester City - but not just to win the title, but win how I win it all my teams, play the way I want.”

The flipside – especially when it comes to the crunch matches away from home, such as today’s trip to St James’ Park - could be a vulnerability in defence and City have conceded 23 goals in the league, only 10 fewer than the whole of last season.

Kompany admitted that it is a calculated trade-off for the attacking style.

“The reality is that we have six offensive players starting every game,” the City centre-half said. “When you score that many goals and win that many games it is sometimes hard for a defender to make a case that we should be doing this or that in terms of tactics.”

Pellegrini said that his aim was “not just attacking football but complete football”. It is a bold wish especially with the business end of the season to come.

However, it is one that he might just be on the verge of fulfilling with City. And, in doing so, proving Real wrong.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Damocles said:
He's no Steve Coppell.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here. The manager made no investments, our DoF did, the same under the previous manager.

Our manager has won nothing in European competition despite 20 years within it. Madridistas called him Pelleegrini. Thee aren't subjective jabs, they are verifiable facts.

Nobody is upset with the manager. Some are more convinced than others. That's ok, nobody needs this type of dogmatic shite again. It's a post that is dying for someone to pull out one sentence and turn it into a 6 month argument and it's absolute bollocks.

The manager is doing ok. His subs are questionable against lower opposition and have cos us points this year. The defence is dodgy due to this and injury.

Outside of those comments, this thread is meaningless.

Hahahahahahhahahahaha!

Just when you thought the last of the Robertohicans had slipped off over the horizon forever, out comes the daddy of them all. Fucking Damocles.

Brilliant stuff. Fucking brilliant. "Doing ok". "Made no investments".

Oh my life, I thought you'd learnt your lesson.



I fail to see why you rise to these sort of comments and start spitting feathers time and time again if you feel they are so risible and counter them with juvenile playground jibes, thus causing the thread to descend into the ridiculous again.

Why not just discuss the manager ?<br /><br />-- Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:47 am --<br /><br />
Summerbuzz said:
don't want to tell anyone their job but I really do actually. the pelle thread saw more in depth talk about our season than the rest of the forum put together, it's shit when it gets pulled because someone starts getting personal. so as posters, let's all behave ourselves. but if (some would say when) it gets personal again, couldn't the mods hand out temporary bans to the offenders rather than take the thread away from everyone?

Nail on head.
 
Henkeman said:
Nice article (for once) in the Torygraph about him:

Manchester City have become a club associated with big numbers: from Abu Dhabi’s eye-watering investment, to transfer fees to financial results.

Here is a flurry of other figures: on Sunday, if City score at Newcastle United, they will have scored more times already this season, in all competitions, than the whole of the last campaign. If City continue at this prolific rate they will beat Chelsea’s record in a Premier League season - 103 goals - and they will also surpass the tally of 102 achieved by Manuel Pellegrini’s Real Madrid in his one remarkable campaign at the Bernabéu.

The City manager offered up the first and last of these remarkable statistics himself on Friday lunchtime, which for a man who professes not to be interested “in the past” was telling.

Records evidently do matter for Pellegrini. So does reputation - and philosophy. He is keeping a reckoning, especially when it comes to scoring goals and proving to Madrid that they were wrong to sack him after that season in charge, in 2009-10.

That year not only saw Real achieve a century of goals, but also accumulate an extraordinary points total of 96, the highest the club had ever achieved at that time, only to still finish second to Pep Guardiola’s Barcelona.

It is why it still hurts Pellegrini that he was sacked by Real. “Well, whatever I think, we did pretty good work there,” he said. “We just had an incredible Barcelona team against us at that time and needed to do better.”

So much is made of City’s Barca links, with their axis of chief executive Ferran Soriano and director of football Txiki Begiristain. Pellegrini name-checked the pair as he explained why he had chosen to join City ahead of other clubs who had made him offers last summer.

“It was a very important part of the decision because Manchester City went for me to come here,” Pellegrini said. “It was not my agent touting me. I was very happy at Malaga and I always said if I couldn’t carry on at Malaga I would study where I can go.

“I had also other options with important clubs in different countries, but the most important reason why I came here was because Manchester City wanted to play the way I wanted.”

That attacking, possession-based style of play has been portrayed as a desire to emulate Barcelona. For Pellegrini, it is the galacticos of Real Madrid that he wants to recreate and improve - to show that they were wrong to jettison him so prematurely.

“Yes, very similar,” Pellegrini said, when asked if he was adopting the same playing style that he had used in Madrid.

“It was a big shame that I just had one season at Real Madrid. In that season we scored 102 goals in the whole season and 96 points. It was the best record in Real Madrid for that moment [since surpassed by Jose Mourinho with 121 goals and 100 points in 2011-12].”

Pellegrini’s one campaign also forced him to integrate £250 million worth of talent - players bought for him rather than by him - at one time: players that included Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka and Karim Benzema. He had to do so knowing that he was not the first choice as coach. He was always on borrowed time; time he will be afforded at City.

City also spent lavishly on their forward line last summer with Alvaro Negredo, Jesus Navas and Stevan Jovetic, who is still injured, augmenting an attack that already included Sergio Agüero, who should return from injury in midweek, and Edin Dzeko.

A goal at St James’ Park today would be their 93rd in only 33 matches - bettering last season’s total of 92, which included the Community Shield, and which was accrued over 52 games.

City have 57 league goals, from 20 matches, at a rate of 2.85 goals a game - Chelsea’s record, set under Carlo Ancelotti in 2009-10, of 103 would be beaten by five if Pellegrini’s team continue at that rate. “There are lots of ways to play and I chose a creative way,” Pellegrini said. “I want to have a good team playing the way that I want.”

Indeed, the manager recalled a conversation he had with his players earlier in the season when they lost to away to Cardiff City and then drew at Stoke City. “We are going to play the same way,” Pellegrini said. City then lost away to Aston Villa. “We are going to play the same way,” the manager repeated.

They lost to Sunderland and Chelsea. The style stayed the same and City have not lost since, having won eight of their last nine league games, only dropping points with the draw at Southampton. In that time they have scored 29 times as their strike-rate has accelerated.

Tellingly, they also sit top of the form table for matches between the top 10 clubs - having collected 22 points from nine matches; four ahead of second-placed Everton.

City’s free-scoring football, the improvement of their form and the return of Vincent Kompany to the defence - “I think we are a different team when Kompany plays,” Pellegrini conceded - has added to the belief that this campaign cannot only end in silverware but in gaining it in more than one competition.

“It’s impossible to know,” is Pellegrini’s circumspect response. “But I think you have more chances if you continue playing the same way - I think you have chances to do it.”

Neither will Pellegrini compromise that attacking, “creative” style – even if the occasion suits. After all, even a purist such as Arsène Wenger turned pragmatic to win a trophy in the way he chose to stifle Manchester United in the 2005 FA  Cup final.

“You can change. Of course, you can,” Pellegrini said. “Because during that game you might not be doing things well. But you cannot change the style when you have to play an important game. You must tell the players: ‘No, we are not going to change’ or you work every day and you play a different way.

“I repeat, for me, in my evaluation of what I did in my career is exactly the same even if I have one title more or one title less. But I am absolutely sure I’ll be very happy here if I can win a title in England with Manchester City - but not just to win the title, but win how I win it all my teams, play the way I want.”

The flipside – especially when it comes to the crunch matches away from home, such as today’s trip to St James’ Park - could be a vulnerability in defence and City have conceded 23 goals in the league, only 10 fewer than the whole of last season.

Kompany admitted that it is a calculated trade-off for the attacking style.

“The reality is that we have six offensive players starting every game,” the City centre-half said. “When you score that many goals and win that many games it is sometimes hard for a defender to make a case that we should be doing this or that in terms of tactics.”

Pellegrini said that his aim was “not just attacking football but complete football”. It is a bold wish especially with the business end of the season to come.

However, it is one that he might just be on the verge of fulfilling with City. And, in doing so, proving Real wrong.


Nice one in the Guardian too
 
Barca will be a huge test for him. Watching them yesterday, they would absolutely murder us if we give them any space.
 
One things for sure, reading that interview, those with a craving for clean sheets, and more complete defending, are going to be disappointed, because he is only going to play one way, attack attack attack.

Personally I'm glad he is, and yes it probably will lose us the odd game, but its great to watch, and if he pulls it off then it will ceratinly be the best season any of us have ever watched.

I like the idea that he seems to be motivated by proving Real wrong, that can only be a positive focus, and I'm sure he's in the heads of all the players saying that we are better than Real were when he was there, a season they broke Real's own records. If you are a player in this squad listening to this how can you be motivated by it, whether you are Sergio, VK, Jimmy or even Javi ? You must feel that you won't ever have a better chance, to be the best you will achieve in your career, that must be a great feeling as a player, and its great that he is giving all the players their chances.

It would be good if this thread doesn't get hijacked by personal insults too, lets keep it for discussing Pellegrini, and not for comparing him to others.
 
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