Pellegrini's Targets And Expectations

[Marvin]

Malaga are La Liga's equivalent of Pompey so to achieve anything under those circumstances is quite astonishing. They were one dodgy decision away from the CL Semi and most of us would snatch his hand off for that next season.

Not if it meant not winning a domestic trophy.

True. However Malaga and Villareal went as close as you could reasonably expect.

Do you remember Villareal when we played them. A tiny club who brought about 50 fans to our ground. he managed them for about 5 seasons and had them qualifying every season in the Champions League.

Trophies are a glaring omission from his European record and when you look at a manager that's the first thing you ask, "What has he won?"

But look where he managed, and look at the sides he produced. The more I look, the more impressive it gets. He didn't quite do what Alex Ferguson did at Aberdeen, but it's still remarkable

 

[charliebigspuds]

regardless of whether you agree with the sacking of Bobby or the appointment of Pellegrini (and it is happening) we all have to get behind the new manager, the last thing our club needs right now is a fragmented support, only time will tell us if its a good decision or a bad one. As for the op's question, I reckon it'll be CL progression and competing a bit better for the title, personally I'd like to watch a team that plays with a little more flair and pace, its been a bit boring watching us this season imo.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Hopefully win the LDV Vans trophy.

 

[nickson71]

jumping the gun here

lets get the guy signed up first you never know we could end up talking about Raffa's targets and expectation (hope not though)

 

[Blueroses]

Listen to Graham hunter's comments why Pellegrini is the second coming and is highly critical of the british media listen from 1.30 onwards very good listen for people on here dismissing his merits...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen-again/episode/114820" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen ... ode/114820</a>

 

[coleridge]

jumping the gun here

lets get the guy signed up first you never know we could end up talking about Raffa's targets and expectation (hope not though)

I don't know what's wrong with Raffa.

Anyway, unless I'm being slow, Malaga's last game is at the Nou Camp on 1st June and so nothing would probably be sorted until after that. Clearly, if Pelli comes, he is a short term fixer of first team and academy [2-3 years]. Pep has been suggested after that but who knows, although I was surprised that the Barca boys let him go elsewhere.

I like to look to the obvious as it's usually correct.

Although, I heard this morning [on the BBC] that Mou to Chelsea is not completely nailed on yet but that could become a different story after tonight's final. Good luck to Chelsea BTW, keep that UEFA coefficient flying high...

 

[moz]

1st and foremost avoid the drop ..... 40 points is a must then a good cup run quarters or hes a goner

 

[George Hannah]

bettng update
Next Permanent Manchester City Manager
.
Manuel Pellegrini 1/7
Jose Mourinho 4/1
Rafa Benitez 14/1
Brendan Rodgers 28/1
Jurgen Klopp 28/1
Carlo Ancelotti 28/1
Michael Laudrup 40/1
Frank De Boer 50/1
Antonio Conte 50/1
Harry Redknapp 66/1
Roberto Martinez 100/1
Marcelo Bielsa 100/1
Ernesto Valverde 100/1
Patrick Vieira 100/1
Cesare Prandelli 100/1
Joachim Loew 100/1
Fabio Capello 100/1
Laurent Blanc 100/1
Steve McClaren 100/1
Guus Hiddink 100/1
Jurgen Klinsmann 100/1
Martin Jol 100/1
Arsene Wenger 100/1
Frank Rijkaard 100/1
Pep Guardiola 150/1
Martin O'Neill 150/1
David Moyes 250/1


Next Permanent Manager Any manager in charge for 10 competitive games will be deemed permanent and settled as a winner. Others on request

 

[city chief is back]

Malaga are La Liga's equivalent of Pompey so to achieve anything under those circumstances is quite astonishing. They were one dodgy decision away from the CL Semi and most of us would snatch his hand off for that next season.

so pestwich blue you're saying we would be getting a Chilean version of harry redknapp "Triffic" ;)

 

[Tricky_Trev]

To be holistic

 

[PragueBlue]

Malaga are La Liga's equivalent of Pompey so to achieve anything under those circumstances is quite astonishing. They were one dodgy decision away from the CL Semi and most of us would snatch his hand off for that next season.

so pestwich blue you're saying we would be getting a Chilean version of harry redknapp "Triffic" ;)

No. The difference is that Redknapp managed to win a trophy at Portsmouth ;-)

 

[The perfect fumble]

Malaga are La Liga's equivalent of Pompey so to achieve anything under those circumstances is quite astonishing. They were one dodgy decision away from the CL Semi and most of us would snatch his hand off for that next season.

so pestwich blue you're saying we would be getting a Chilean version of harry redknapp "Triffic" ;)

No. The difference is that Redknapp managed to win a trophy at Portsmouth ;-)

The difference is Pellegrini looks like a lizard and Redknapp looks like a toad.

 

[Eggsy]

Listen to Graham hunter's comments why Pellegrini is the second coming and is highly critical of the british media listen from 1.30 onwards very good listen for people on here dismissing his merits...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen-again/episode/114820" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen ... ode/114820</a>

My other concern is his age, I know you shouldn't be ageist but at almost 60 he's not really going to be long term.

 

[TGR]

He hasn't been appointed yet.

I would piss myself if he turns us down and we ended up with Rafa.
Fucking piss myself.

If that were to happen we would HAVE to sack the two Spanish clowns and crawl back to Mancini on bended knee.

Sheik Mansour..Franny Lee. .Peter Swales.. the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Would it actually surprise you? No - not me either.

 

[Scooby Blue]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

 

[TGR]

Malaga are La Liga's equivalent of Pompey so to achieve anything under those circumstances is quite astonishing. They were one dodgy decision away from the CL Semi and most of us would snatch his hand off for that next season.

so pestwich blue you're saying we would be getting a Chilean version of harry redknapp "Triffic" ;)

No. The difference is that Redknapp managed to win a trophy at Portsmouth ;-)

But he did bankrupt the club whilst doing it. Even the twitcher would be pushing it to bankrupt the sheik!




Wouldn't he?......

 

[Matt the Giant]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Good post Scooby.

 

[Eaglechief]

A lot of people in the transfer forum are expecting more than one "big name" signing this summer, with Pelligrini arriving.

My suspicion is that we will see 6-7 new players, with the vast majority being unheard of by most of us here in Blighty.

Pelligrini (I suspect) will be using his extensive contacts in South America, Spain, Portugal to bring in the players he knows will have the abilities required for the now infamous 4-3-3 formation demanded by Txiki etc

So expect lots of new faces bought for relatively low fees, hopefully most will turn out to be very good indeed for the club.

The target for Pelligrini should surely be a minimum CL placing and to get out of the group stage of the CL, anything less will surely be going backwards compared to Mancini's reign.

What a load of speculative waffle!

The clues in the above are "my suspicion" and "I suspect", so yes they are "speculative" as you state.

As for "waffle", well time will tell whether the speculation is correct, or do you believe we can go to 4-3-3 without making changes to the current squad?

 

[adrianr]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Make this post a fucking sticky. Perfect summary.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

A lot of people in the transfer forum are expecting more than one "big name" signing this summer, with Pelligrini arriving.

My suspicion is that we will see 6-7 new players, with the vast majority being unheard of by most of us here in Blighty.

Pelligrini (I suspect) will be using his extensive contacts in South America, Spain, Portugal to bring in the players he knows will have the abilities required for the now infamous 4-3-3 formation demanded by Txiki etc

So expect lots of new faces bought for relatively low fees, hopefully most will turn out to be very good indeed for the club.

The target for Pelligrini should surely be a minimum CL placing and to get out of the group stage of the CL, anything less will surely be going backwards compared to Mancini's reign.

What a load of speculative waffle!

The clues in the above are "my suspicion" and "I suspect", so yes they are "speculative" as you state.

As for "waffle", well time will tell whether the speculation is correct, or do you believe we can go to 4-3-3 without making changes to the current squad?

The waffle i'd suggest is a club of city's size won't be making unheard of 'signing' - they'll be 3+ world class signings, balanced with 3/4 developing emerging talents, that added to our core squad will be very difficult to beat!

4-3-3 will be the preferred system but by no means set in stone!