Pigeonho
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Based on what they see happening at City then, and with that very possible outcome that Moyes might drag United down the table, would it not make sense for those journo's to file into City in the same way you think they file into OT?<br /><br />-- Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:26 pm --<br /><br />The perfect fumble said:Pigeonho said:We're not talking corporate though, we're talking journalists reporting on managers/players/matches. Why don't we filter out the City supporting ones? I don't believe that is what United do by the way, i'm just saying that if it is, why don't we do it? What about the London clubs, the big ones in particular? Why don't they filter out the Spurs fans from the Chelsea fans and the Arsenal fans from whoever else and only have journalists who are fans of their clubs do the reporting?The perfect fumble said:Because all football clubs are not United. Even on the most conservative of estimates Utd's worldwide fan base is at least 100 times larger than ours. I love City, have supported her all my life, but in corporate terms we're tiny compared to the behemoth that is Utd.
We're not talking corporate
When you're a business as large as Utd, or a financial gamble as gargantuan as the one Sheikh Mansour has made at City, everything is corporate. You can look at every club in the Premier League and pretty much gauge what they do using standard business models, of the type you would use to analyse businesses of similar size in any industry, and you'd get pretty close to the mark.
That's one of the reasons American owners can't understand relegation, why would anyone relegate a profit making club simply because it's results are poor?
Of course personalities and history and all the other sporting paraphernalia have to be factored in, but the bottom line, when journalists file in to Old Trafford many of them come to worship at one of the most powerful corporate entities in world football, not to analyse and certainly not to criticise.
You listed a list of targets United wanted as manager, where did that list come from? That's why I asked if you got it from a paper.NipHolmes said:Pigeonho said:Untold damage?! To who? Does anything any of them make you support City any less? No. If a Reading fan picks up a paper on his way to work and reads something about us, Arsenal or whoever else, do City fans, Arsenal fans or fans of whoever really care what that Reading fan may or may not believe? No.NipHolmes said:There you go then, by your own admission you have stated Journolists sritw negative articles.
Now for some math. More journos support United than City, so if say 20 journos write negative to the 3 positive then that's outnumbered by 17. Punters by these shitrags and believe everything 99/100. Journalists shape the opinion of the masses. You only have to see the Sun when they slashed labour and went with the tories, same can be said about illegal immigrants and benefit recipients.
My point is that the sheer scale of hate does untold damage. I have just put SSN on and on the yellow bar they have a ticker saying Moyes first game as MUFC manager live on sky, now why is Pellegrini's first game live on sky also on the ticker? Reason is because there's more rags at home interested in United than City and Sky know this and act accordingly.
United outspent City last season, little was made of that. City signed nobody in Jan, but united bought Zaha. City have sold two strikers (Jan and now) and are replacing them with money brought in and wages saved, our only outlay is on two sterling signings who are both entering their peaks. Nothing will be said about net, or the fact we were outspent last season, it will all be about how much we have spent this window and a total spend rather than net spend will be stated, mark my words.
I don't believe there's a mass coverup across teh board but I do believe 100% Sky lean to United and the tabloids are riddled with rag-hacks. Just so happens that both forms of media outlet actually shape the masses opinions and that is where the damage is done. ESPN and the odd paper isn't relevant when you class Sky, Sun, Daily Star, Independant and Talksport (more rags and just one pro-city pundit who is Durham a Peterborough fan) as the ones against us.
I said it yesterday and will say it again. Moyes has an inferior C.V to Martinez and even Laudrup, both are equally as hamstrung financially yet Moyes is seen as the second coming when all but 3 months a go any fans of a top club would not want him as their manager. Chelsea wanted Jose, Pep, Pellegrini, Simeone, Klopp or even Zola. United wanted Jose, Pep, Klopp and even Solsjkaer. Moyes wasn't even in the bloody running, not even close. The same can be said about teh T.V and Radio and none of them chose Moyes, if a pundit punted him it would even have been tongue in cheek. Liverpool fans even sang ''8 more years'' because they wanted him to stay due to Evertons lack of success, again even the much maligned Macliesh achieved more!
You say United wanted Jose etc, how do you know that? Were you silly enough to buy a paper and read it, then believe it? did anyone from United publicly say who there targets were? (I have no idea myself, as I don't much care what they do). If you yourself were brainwashed into believing a tabloid, will what you think have affected a United fan? No.
As for the yellow ticker. You've seen that, as have the many other viewers. So what though? You will have made a decision not to bother watching that match, others will have made the decision to watch it but so what? What does that matter that they put that on the yellow ticker? If Chelsea's first game is on Sky, (pre season I mean), maybe they will put that on the yellow ticker too? Maybe they'll put Pellegrini's because whilst you have seen that at 2pm on a Thursday afternoon, you may just miss the Pellegrini or Mourinho yellow ticker. Others won't miss is but again, who cares? Does any of it affect how you and the other thousands of City fans feel about the club? No.
Whoosh.
I don't buy papers because I know the product is faulty.
The untold damage is to the masses of Joe Public. Ask a fan, any fan what they think of City. I work all over the country and it's staggering how uniform their opinions are. just may be coincidence it's exactly the same as the bile written in these tabloids. i stopped reading when the phone tap stuff started, Millie Dolwer was the straw that broke the camels back.
Again, who cares what joe public think? Do you really need the club to be liked by people who have nothing to do with it? I just said in reply to Strongbowholic that Aguero's goal and the 6-1 told us all what fans of other clubs think of us and United, but in the main though who cares what they think?