Pellers press conference

[NipHolmes]

Re: Pellers press confernce

I see one simple twat has posted pics of empty seats 5 minutes from the end of a dire 0-0 draw against Liverpool a few years ago and against West Brom 4 days before this year's Cup Final, when City effectively fielded a reserve side, as 'proof' that City fans aren't loyal.

Maybe he should look a bit closer to home. As a few examples last season they had:

Southampton - 16,000 empty seats
Braga - 20,000 empty seats
Cluj - 29,000 empty seats
Newcastle - 43,000 empty seats (see pic)

And of course the classic 30,000/40,000/50,000/60,000 empty seats the season before.

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Great post.


@Pidge, those lists were made by me as a compilation of names frequently posted on said forums. I check the Ragcafe, Rawk Arsenalmania and Shedend.

So they mean about as much as what would be printed on a copy of the sun then! ;-)

Fans opinions just like journalists were that the replacement to Ferguson should be of the top drawer. Moyes has never, ever, ever been seen as that. Moyes has bottled every big game for Everton and won less than Macliesh, Martinez and Laudrup and many Everton fans started to grumble about him and thought about change. Liverpool fans mocked, and fans of big clubs wanted no part of him. Rumours of him going to Germany arose and many said he should prove himself there, BVB and Bayern weren't interested but instead Shalke, a Spurs like club.

If Chelsea, City or Arsenal appointed Moyes it'd be frowned upon as a very risky appointment. Real Madrid and Barca no chance. Bayern and BVB no chance etc etc.. now all of a sudden he's this unheralded gem that United intend to clean up and show off. This management genius cut from the same cloth as Ferguson (must have missed his Aberdeen like achievements with Everton).

The papers, just like Sky are rewriting history and the truth. Moyes is bang average and I am buzzing they appointed him because he is a good and not great manager. They can sugarcoat and spin and it's laughable, fact is United fans will shut themselves and Moyes isn't a major draw and commands little respect on the world stage. I can see this for what it is but the media is doing there utmost to hype this.

The upside of this is the bigger the hype the harder the fall. I believe wholeheartedly Moyes will finish third and potless. The same the season after. And that's when the knives will be sharpened and when the media changes tact. Bookmark this, I've never been so certain.

 

[The Flash]

Pidge, this was my response on the previous page, which you missed...

So what you're saying is, is that United have filtered through the United supporting journo's, and only allow them in? Why don't all football clubs do that then?

No, what United and the GPC have done over the years is create in the mindset of the journo's is that if you report United negatively, then there's a chance you will be barred from future pressers.

So if you're the reporter for the North West region, how do you tell your bosses that you can't report on Manchesssss Unaarted because a previous article has meant you're barred from OT? There isn't an editor in the world that would be happy with that.

And so, even the non-rag supporting journo's don't bother rocking the boat as they might be denied copy from The Swamp.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Manuel running the show in Part 2 as well.

Geezer.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

And what has happened to those Journo's who have written negative pieces about United in the past? They get banned from attending press conferences. So it's not in the interests of non-rag supporting journo's to write negative copy about them.

So what you're saying is, is that United have filtered through the United supporting journo's, and only allow them in? Why don't all football clubs do that then?

Probably replying to the wrong post here, so apologies if this is potentially out of context...

I think there are a number of factors at play.

1) We've agreed re the rivals thing.
2) Writing about the rags is like shooting fish in a barrel - 669 million punters worldwide to play to.
3) City are a very easy target given the largesse of Sheikh Mansour - I work with lots of Villa fans who are incredibly bitter about it as an example. In some respects, and somewhat in agreement with an earlier point, we have become a bit of a pantomime villain.

With all that in mind, that could mean playing to an even wider audience than the 669 million rags in the world. Surely that makes it more tempting, even sensible to put a negative slant on us.

After all in that profession, and again I think we are in agreement, sales/circulation is king?

I don't necessarily say all this proves an agenda against City, rather being negative about us is a convenient mechanism to boost circulation to the widest audience?

I'm also typing this whilst on a conference call so apologies if the points are incoherrent and/or hamfisted!

Absolutely this, but is that not an agenda in itself? It doesn't really matter that the prime motivational force is boosting circulation by continually belittling the natural enemy of the world's largest supported club, rather than a considered actual hatred of Manchester City, because the nett result is the same: United acclaimed, City shamed. The Fail is probably the biggest case in point. Since Gollum's appointment, the love-in that paper has had with the rags has if anything intensified to the point that they have led with a Moyes related puff piece almost everyday since. Articles on City meanwhile are pretty much as they have been since Sept 2008, ie frequently couched in negative terms or bearing provocative headlines. The one that I keep coming back to was the totally unsolicited hatchet job they did on us, 2 months after we won the title, when we were on a pre-season training camp in Austria, specifically a double paged spread under a banner about how City's "spoiled brats had demanded that a 1000 year old church stop ringing its bells, so they could get their beauty sleep", and developed further with tales of pampered overpaid stars having hand made Italian mattresses flown in, and insisting on having the cruet sets placed in a particular place on the breakfast tables, and so on and so on. I don't care what any anti-agendaists might say, you would never ever see an article of such unbelievable and unnecessary spite written about United.
It is also not acceptable to justify the practice of journalists who support the rags, rubbishing City, on the grounds that they will rubbish ALL of united's rivals, for the simple reason that, with the possible exception of Chelsea, we are the only rival that currently counts. What real threat are Liverpool, or Arsenal? City are the club with the immediate financial wherewithal to harm united's trophy chances, and they therefore are the designated pantomime villain. Again, it might all be about circulation figures and 'clicks', but it's no less real for that fact

 

[The perfect fumble]

So what you're saying is, is that United have filtered through the United supporting journo's, and only allow them in? Why don't all football clubs do that then?

Probably replying to the wrong post here, so apologies if this is potentially out of context...

I think there are a number of factors at play.

1) We've agreed re the rivals thing.
2) Writing about the rags is like shooting fish in a barrel - 669 million punters worldwide to play to.
3) City are a very easy target given the largesse of Sheikh Mansour - I work with lots of Villa fans who are incredibly bitter about it as an example. In some respects, and somewhat in agreement with an earlier point, we have become a bit of a pantomime villain.

With all that in mind, that could mean playing to an even wider audience than the 669 million rags in the world. Surely that makes it more tempting, even sensible to put a negative slant on us.

After all in that profession, and again I think we are in agreement, sales/circulation is king?

I don't necessarily say all this proves an agenda against City, rather being negative about us is a convenient mechanism to boost circulation to the widest audience?

I'm also typing this whilst on a conference call so apologies if the points are incoherrent and/or hamfisted!

Absolutely this, but is that not an agenda in itself? It doesn't really matter that the prime motivational force is boosting circulation by continually belittling the natural enemy of the world's largest supported club, rather than a considered actual hatred of Manchester City, because the nett result is the same: United acclaimed, City shamed. The Fail is probably the biggest case in point. Since Gollum's appointment, the love-in that paper has had with the rags has if anything intensified to the point that they have led with a Moyes related puff piece almost everyday since. Articles on City meanwhile are pretty much as they have been since Sept 2008, ie frequently couched in negative terms or bearing provocative headlines. The one that I keep coming back to was the totally unsolicited hatchet job they did on us, 2 months after we won the title, when we were on a pre-season training camp in Austria, specifically a double paged spread under a banner about how City's "spoiled brats had demanded that a 1000 year old church stop ringing its bells, so they could get their beauty sleep", and developed further with tales of pampered overpaid stars having hand made Italian mattresses flown in, and insisting on having the cruet sets placed in a particular place on the breakfast tables, and so on and so on. I don't care what any anti-agendaists might say, you would never ever see an article of such unbelievable and unnecessary spite written about United.
It is also not acceptable to justify the practice of journalists who support the rags, rubbishing City, on the grounds that they will rubbish ALL of united's rivals, for the simple reason that, with the possible exception of Chelsea, we are the only rival that currently counts. What real threat are Liverpool, or Arsenal? City are the club with the immediate financial wherewithal to harm united's trophy chances, and they therefore are the designated pantomime villain. Again, it might all be about circulation figures and 'clicks', but it's no less real for that fact

Agreed, City gets very little coverage on any note most of the time, when TalkShite and the back pages are full of made up nonsense on every Premier League club, City is often completely ignored, when she is mentioned at all, it is all too often in the "Everything that's wrong with football" vein, taking all the heat while the rest of the Premier league, and particularly the sainted Utd, bask in the glow of teams chock full with British sons of the soil who came through the academy, foreign signing are celebrated as adding spice to the league, unless they sign for City, then they are destroying home grown talent.

The Ian Herbert article is particularly amusing, not for what it said, but the tone in which it was written, as if the press conference was an invitation to some shady bolt hole full of dodgy characters, furtive and up to no good no doubt. Answers were evasions, strings were being pulled, not like the good old boys at the swamp, there you'll find honesty, wholesomeness with "Davey" the new bright and shiny manager. Vanished is the mumbling mediocre miseberalist they know from Everton, but now reborn in to the perfect fit for the greatest club on earth, the clue to their doubt is the constant "He'll do a great job, no fear"...."Right choice for Utd"...." Perfect replacement for Sir Alex". They sound like men trapped in a house when the first whiff of smoke is detected, desperately babbling it'll be alright, when they all privately know it won't.

 

[Blue Tooth]

Simple observation.

They ( The Press) asked Pellegrini about his not having won any trophies ( when he has in fact won some).

They did not as far as I know ask Moyes about not having won any trophies.

Two new managers, same situation, different angles.

FWIW I thought he handled the press well and let them know in no uncertain terms that he is a highly intelligent man and he won't stand for any shit. Looking forward to what he brings on the park.

 

[bluemathlady]

Manuel running the show in Part 2 as well.

Geezer.

Glad he took control from the start, he doesnt seem like he has a problem with defending himself either. Stupid rags

 

[ped]

How come there wasn't the same pre-occupation with the number of trophies won by Moyes in his press conference?

Because it wasn't on the list of approved subjects as defined by united's PR dept.

It really is incredible that a handful of blues cannot spot the innate sense of bias within the media, especially the written press, in spite of manifest supporting evidence.

None of these spineless charlatans would dare write such a sneering, derogatory article about united. Herbert, like bullies and cowards always do, picks on City because he knows he can do so with impunity.

I wouldn't mind quite so much if his writing style wasn't so laboured and dreary.

Oh i can see it, but it makes me laugh how so many people are so sensitive to it and get all shirty about it. It makes no odds what anyone in the press or media says.

Nothing anyone has said has stopped us doing any of this:
moving up from a mid table team, to a top five team, to a top three team winning the FAC, to a Prem title winning team.
signing players
bringing in a new DoF and CEO
increasing our attendances (even FAC early rounds against teams from the division below are sell-outs)
attracting new sponsors
signing a new shirt deal
communicating links with one of the world's biggest sports franchises and setting up a joint MLS team with them
etc.

So, for me, the press/media can say what they like. If it's a load of bollocks i'll ignore it, if it's decent i'll pay attention to it. When i see people getting all hot'n'bothered about what they say it makes me laugh a bit so i'll come on here and take the piss out of them a bit.

its not about the agenda or not,thats certainly debatable,what is not in doubt,is the snearing tone ,of a lot of jurnos,to a lot of us city fans when people,write,such shite ,we take it personally,its offensive,becouse we care so much,in much the same way we would feel if someone spoke with the same tone about a member of our family I love the way this club stirs my blood,i love the passion it instills in me feel free to take the piss , you don't know what your missing

 

[Lakeysbadknee]

Sorry bit of a diversion ,but in the presser in Durban is that Eva Carneiro the ex Chelsea physio sat next to Vinny?

 

[Glenn Ponder]

Sorry bit of a diversion ,but in the presser in Durban is that Eva Carneiro the ex Chelsea physio sat next to Vinny?

I was thinking the same thing but I don't think it is her (unfortunately!).