Pep and Klopp's strategies

Dunno what the Dippers will do this summer

A lot of their best players are approaching/hit 30 and have 2 years left on their contract.....VVD, Salah, Mane, Firmino, Fabinho, Henderson, keita, Chamberlain and Shaqiri etc

They probably want to sell some but Mane, Firminio, Keita and Chamberlain are having their worst seasons

The most likely is Salah, and they will get a LOT of money for him but he's got them all their goals....can't see them replacing him with someone as good

Already losing Wijnaldum for a free this summer, he's not amazing but he's normally one of the first names on the teamsheet
 
There is no doubt Klopp is a very good manager, this season i think the lack of squad rotation, and investment in improving their team has been their downfall.

I was still shocked how that team could play like it did for nearly 3 seasons, with no injuries the lot.
 
Klopp's stategy is based on Joe Kinnear's Wimbledon with Henderson emulating Vinnie Jones(only Jones was the better footballer) , Pep's stategy is based on Cruyff's Barca with KDB pulling the strings.
In comparison Klippety is a dinosaur.
 
Riles me how Pep and Klopp are even grouped together when journos discuss managers - Pep is levels above him in so many ways.

2 trophies in 6 years doesn’t make you an elite manager, it could be argued that Liverpool are just a high quality kick and rush team with an outstandingly prolific forward who makes the difference. Meanwhile Pep has changed the way football is played, won squillions of trophies and reinvented players through insightful intensive coaching.
 
I wouldn’t say it’s Pep and Klopp’s strategies...

If the rumours that were circling around January, and what Jamie Redknapp was saying, were true, Klopp is said to have had a heated boardroom argument with the CEO/owner of Liverpool about their lack of transfer activity.

Liverpool earnt £1.45bn in the last three years alone, yet they’ve invested just £200m back into their squad.

I keep saying this, but instead of moaning about City, Chelsea, Paris, FFP, always playing the victim card and never questioning what’s going on at their own club; Liverpool fans should be screaming from the rooftops “WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE MONEY GO AT LIVERPOOL?!”

City have recently started earning less money than Liverpool (although we will get a new sponsorship contract this Summer to probably even that up), yet we invest our money into what the entire point in this whole sport is about - the football team.

This is a stark contrast in club strategies.

I don’t like Klopp - he’s a moaning excuse making tosser when Liverpool lose - but I don’t feel like he’s being provided with what his quality as a manger deserves. He almost has to only go out to win the big two trophies because that’s all their owner is interested in. The only two trophies that bring in money. Their owner is a Yank, and Yank owners are all the same in that regard. A poison to the sport. They’re not interested in building a squad for all comps, they’re only interested in what brings in money. Becaus of this I wouldn’t be surprised if Klopp leaves in the next year (or sooner!).

Now don’t get me wrong, despite all the investment into our squad, we still have holes and deficiencies, we’re far from the finished product, and we only truly have one very elite level player (de Bruyne); but our transfer strategy is a holistic one (Begiristain wasn’t lying when he brought that up last decade!). Our investment into the squad is about the entire unit so that there can be rotation and not a huge drop off in quality when we rotate so that we can go all out to win every competition every season. That’s why we’re consistent with a lot of £40-60m signings, rather than a few £25m and a few £100m signings. In 13 years, we’ve only bought one or two very elite level players, some may argue none. We buy young up and coming players with potential on the whole (Yaya Fernandinho Walker and Mahrez are really the only exceptions age-wise, and deBruyne quality-wise). We are certainly no Galacticos, and we only have the legends who became elite players in Agüero DSilva and Kompany through Brian Marwood’s great work. It works to a certain extent because we usually go quite far in all the comps and do win a few or a number of trophies. But then sometimes we are (or have been, maybe not this year, hopefully!) hindered when we need those very elite level players in the biggest of games in the CL. Because of this we rely massively on Guardiola. It’s his football philosophy, coupled with the holistic approach, that makes us so good. If Pep left us, I don’t think we’d be anywhere near as good as we are with anyone else because I’m not sure anyone else would get so much out of a squad of very good players with so few very elite level players.

This is in stark contrast to United, though. They’ve spent an almost identical amount of money on their squad as we have, but they haven’t got a squad. They’ve got a mish-mash of “names”, good quality, lazy fuckers who should be doing better, and shite. When certain players are out, the drop off in quality is huge. However, a bit like Liverpool, their first XI is good and a really good manager could do something with that team if they all stayed fit.
Great post. Regarding the bolded bit, the daft thing is that a lot of Liverpool fans are calling out their owners on exactly that but in the next breath they're accusing the likes of City of ruining football because we commit the cardinal sin of re-investing a lot more of our football income in squad refreshment than Liverpool's owners do. So on the one hand, they're calling out FSG for not doing what City do but on the other hand they're calling City out for doing what they want their owners to do so despite their protestations against their own club, they're effectively doing FSG's bidding for them.

In short, they're fucking idiots!
 
We’ve also been blessed in that this season we’ve avoided serious, long-term injuries to key players. Liverpool’s predicament this season rather mirrors our own predicament last season, so it should serve as a lesson to both supports.
Yeah, but compare how we dealt with it to how they have. We suffered a horrendous injury to Laporte as well as risking not replacing Kompany, and it backfired. But how did we respond? Well we were comfortably second place with a points total that has won leagues in the past, whereas they are struggling to finish top 4. We responded by becoming a more potent attacking force and actually scoring 7 goals more than the previous season (and 17 more than Liverpool themselves). And even defensively, we only let in two more than them while playing Fernandinho and/or Garcia at CB for most of the season. In fact, looking at the difference in points last season compared to the goal difference just highlights how many jammy single-goal wins they actually had. But the point is that Pep was able to do a good job with depleted resources, whereas Klopp hasn't been able to because he has no tactical flexibility and has bought badly (9 CMs and then moans he has no CB cover).
 
I wouldn’t say it’s Pep and Klopp’s strategies...

If the rumours that were circling around January, and what Jamie Redknapp was saying, were true, Klopp is said to have had a heated boardroom argument with the CEO/owner of Liverpool about their lack of transfer activity.

Liverpool earnt £1.45bn in the last three years alone, yet they’ve invested just £200m back into their squad.

I keep saying this, but instead of moaning about City, Chelsea, Paris, FFP, always playing the victim card and never questioning what’s going on at their own club; Liverpool fans should be screaming from the rooftops “WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE MONEY GO AT LIVERPOOL?!”

City have recently started earning less money than Liverpool (although we will get a new sponsorship contract this Summer to probably even that up), yet we invest our money into what the entire point in this whole sport is about - the football team.

This is a stark contrast in club strategies.

I don’t like Klopp - he’s a moaning excuse making tosser when Liverpool lose - but I don’t feel like he’s being provided with what his quality as a manger deserves. He almost has to only go out to win the big two trophies because that’s all their owner is interested in. The only two trophies that bring in money. Their owner is a Yank, and Yank owners are all the same in that regard. A poison to the sport. They’re not interested in building a squad for all comps, they’re only interested in what brings in money. Becaus of this I wouldn’t be surprised if Klopp leaves in the next year (or sooner!).

Now don’t get me wrong, despite all the investment into our squad, we still have holes and deficiencies, we’re far from the finished product, and we only truly have one very elite level player (de Bruyne); but our transfer strategy is a holistic one (Begiristain wasn’t lying when he brought that up last decade!). Our investment into the squad is about the entire unit so that there can be rotation and not a huge drop off in quality when we rotate so that we can go all out to win every competition every season. That’s why we’re consistent with a lot of £40-60m signings, rather than a few £25m and a few £100m signings. In 13 years, we’ve only bought one or two very elite level players, some may argue none. We buy young up and coming players with potential on the whole (Yaya Fernandinho Walker and Mahrez are really the only exceptions age-wise, and deBruyne quality-wise). We are certainly no Galacticos, and we only have the legends who became elite players in Agüero DSilva and Kompany through Brian Marwood’s great work. It works to a certain extent because we usually go quite far in all the comps and do win a few or a number of trophies. But then sometimes we are (or have been, maybe not this year, hopefully!) hindered when we need those very elite level players in the biggest of games in the CL. Because of this we rely massively on Guardiola. It’s his football philosophy, coupled with the holistic approach, that makes us so good. If Pep left us, I don’t think we’d be anywhere near as good as we are with anyone else because I’m not sure anyone else would get so much out of a squad of very good players with so few very elite level players.

This is in stark contrast to United, though. They’ve spent an almost identical amount of money on their squad as we have, but they haven’t got a squad. They’ve got a mish-mash of “names”, good quality, lazy fuckers who should be doing better, and shite. When certain players are out, the drop off in quality is huge. However, a bit like Liverpool, their first XI is good and a really good manager could do something with that team if they all stayed fit.
Nailed it.
The City machine is all about improving, improving, improving.
The Liverpool machine is all about money, money, money.
 
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Klopp = joe kinnear tactics with better players than wimbledon
Jack Charlton. High balls into the opposition full back and press every passing option. Charlton (rest his soul) was given shite for doing it with Ireland as apparently our players were too good for it and wasted doing it. That slabtooth **** gets praised for doing it with (fucking supposedly) the best xi in football. Does my head in. Puke football.
 
I wouldn’t say it’s Pep and Klopp’s strategies...

If the rumours that were circling around January, and what Jamie Redknapp was saying, were true, Klopp is said to have had a heated boardroom argument with the CEO/owner of Liverpool about their lack of transfer activity.

Liverpool earnt £1.45bn in the last three years alone, yet they’ve invested just £200m back into their squad.

I keep saying this, but instead of moaning about City, Chelsea, Paris, FFP, always playing the victim card and never questioning what’s going on at their own club; Liverpool fans should be screaming from the rooftops “WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE MONEY GO AT LIVERPOOL?!”

City have recently started earning less money than Liverpool (although we will get a new sponsorship contract this Summer to probably even that up), yet we invest our money into what the entire point in this whole sport is about - the football team.

This is a stark contrast in club strategies.

I don’t like Klopp - he’s a moaning excuse making tosser when Liverpool lose - but I don’t feel like he’s being provided with what his quality as a manger deserves. He almost has to only go out to win the big two trophies because that’s all their owner is interested in. The only two trophies that bring in money. Their owner is a Yank, and Yank owners are all the same in that regard. A poison to the sport. They’re not interested in building a squad for all comps, they’re only interested in what brings in money. Becaus of this I wouldn’t be surprised if Klopp leaves in the next year (or sooner!).

Now don’t get me wrong, despite all the investment into our squad, we still have holes and deficiencies, we’re far from the finished product, and we only truly have one very elite level player (de Bruyne); but our transfer strategy is a holistic one (Begiristain wasn’t lying when he brought that up last decade!). Our investment into the squad is about the entire unit so that there can be rotation and not a huge drop off in quality when we rotate so that we can go all out to win every competition every season. That’s why we’re consistent with a lot of £40-60m signings, rather than a few £25m and a few £100m signings. In 13 years, we’ve only bought one or two very elite level players, some may argue none. We buy young up and coming players with potential on the whole (Yaya Fernandinho Walker and Mahrez are really the only exceptions age-wise, and deBruyne quality-wise). We are certainly no Galacticos, and we only have the legends who became elite players in Agüero DSilva and Kompany through Brian Marwood’s great work. It works to a certain extent because we usually go quite far in all the comps and do win a few or a number of trophies. But then sometimes we are (or have been, maybe not this year, hopefully!) hindered when we need those very elite level players in the biggest of games in the CL. Because of this we rely massively on Guardiola. It’s his football philosophy, coupled with the holistic approach, that makes us so good. If Pep left us, I don’t think we’d be anywhere near as good as we are with anyone else because I’m not sure anyone else would get so much out of a squad of very good players with so few very elite level players.

This is in stark contrast to United, though. They’ve spent an almost identical amount of money on their squad as we have, but they haven’t got a squad. They’ve got a mish-mash of “names”, good quality, lazy fuckers who should be doing better, and shite. When certain players are out, the drop off in quality is huge. However, a bit like Liverpool, their first XI is good and a really good manager could do something with that team if they all stayed fit.
I think the main difference is if Pep leaves, as a club, we are still well-equipped to push for trophies. We might not be challenging for quadruples, or be as 'flashy' on the pitch and record-breaking, but our club's finances and strategy is the most important part to keep us continuing the challenge in the league and cups.

Way I saw it, since the day the Sheikh took over, he was hell bent on turning this club into prime Barcelona. Getting Txiki/Soriano in, investing in our EDS to become the next La Masia. I'd go as far to say, the people up top in the club have an obsession with prime Barcelona, and for me, that's a good thing. I believed even since Pellegrini took over, the managerial hot seat was always primed for Pep. This is a plan. A long-term strategy from the club and the people at the top.

I have said it before, Liverpool got lucky with Klopp. I believe the yanks at Liverpool aim has always been 'get top 4, get the CL money, anything else is a bonus'. They were fortunate with a talented manager like Klopp to turn their mediocre investments into gold. Before Klopp took over, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone to tell you the squad he inherited was 'quality', 'title-challengers' or 'possible CL winners'. It is as Mourinho said it, "This is football heritage".

Our 'football heritage' will continue to keep us challenging, even if Pep leaves. We might not be as pretty, but we will still be there or thereabouts.
 

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