Pep and Klopp's strategies

bobbyowenquiff said:
Agreed. It is just about fine margins. If we had made five changes not seven we might have got over the line against Leeds. We had plenty of chances. Pep has a similar decision to make for the Villa match which, for me, is a must-win because we can't afford to give any more momentum to United. What an amazing season this has been.
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We got away with it against Fulham, didn't with Villa. I agree with you that another slip up starts to create anxiety (to be fair, I am already very worried as I remember a season when a team lost an 8 point lead with 6 games to go). Ake and Mendy plus replacing all the big 4 attacking threats (KDB, Gundogan, Mahrez and FOden) was too much. The balance is he has to rotate slightly in the FA Cup and League cup finals to avoid having to play a B team in the league games.
 
Gabriel said:
We’ve also been blessed in that this season we’ve avoided serious, long-term injuries to key players. Liverpool’s predicament this season rather mirrors our own predicament last season, so it should serve as a lesson to both supports.

While match intensity has arguably been less this season on account of the absence of crowds, the sheer number of games and the pressure of living in a bubble will inevitably exact a toll further down the line. Guardiola would be the first to acknowledge it.
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must be mistaken about aguero being out all season then but still he only scores goals
 
burning blue soul said:
It was also interesting to see how fatigued the Dortmund players were after 70 minutes in both legs against City.
The rotation system is the secret to winning. Done right it can make the difference in tight games.
Obviously, the players being changed over need to keep up the quality to an extent.
It is clear to see how jaded Liverpool are. They flogged their players to death over the last few years. Short term gain, long term pain. I don't think Liverpool have the energy for a top 4 place finish....they may get a helping hand from their LiVARpool mates, though :(
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Klop has previous with Dortmond, champions league one year, bottom half the next. The forward planning is none existent. Makes you realise what an unbelievably Well run club we are, we've been at it for a good decade now, delivering trophies when changing the personnel on numerous occasions.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I wouldn’t say it’s Pep and Klopp’s strategies...

If the rumours that were circling around January, and what Jamie Redknapp was saying, were true, Klopp is said to have had a heated boardroom argument with the CEO/owner of Liverpool about their lack of transfer activity.

Liverpool earnt £1.45bn in the last three years alone, yet they’ve invested just £200m back into their squad.

I keep saying this, but instead of moaning about City, Chelsea, Paris, FFP, always playing the victim card and never questioning what’s going on at their own club; Liverpool fans should be screaming from the rooftops “WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE MONEY GO AT LIVERPOOL?!”

City have recently started earning less money than Liverpool (although we will get a new sponsorship contract this Summer to probably even that up), yet we invest our money into what the entire point in this whole sport is about - the football team.

This is a stark contrast in club strategies.

I don’t like Klopp - he’s a moaning excuse making tosser when Liverpool lose - but I don’t feel like he’s being provided with what his quality as a manger deserves. He almost has to only go out to win the big two trophies because that’s all their owner is interested in. The only two trophies that bring in money. Their owner is a Yank, and Yank owners are all the same in that regard. A poison to the sport. They’re not interested in building a squad for all comps, they’re only interested in what brings in money. Becaus of this I wouldn’t be surprised if Klopp leaves in the next year (or sooner!).

Now don’t get me wrong, despite all the investment into our squad, we still have holes and deficiencies, we’re far from the finished product, and we only truly have one very elite level player (de Bruyne); but our transfer strategy is a holistic one (Begiristain wasn’t lying when he brought that up last decade!). Our investment into the squad is about the entire unit so that there can be rotation and not a huge drop off in quality when we rotate so that we can go all out to win every competition every season. That’s why we’re consistent with a lot of £40-60m signings, rather than a few £25m and a few £100m signings. In 13 years, we’ve only bought one or two very elite level players, some may argue none. We buy young up and coming players with potential on the whole (Yaya Fernandinho Walker and Mahrez are really the only exceptions age-wise, and deBruyne quality-wise). We are certainly no Galacticos, and we only have the legends who became elite players in Agüero DSilva and Kompany through Brian Marwood’s great work. It works to a certain extent because we usually go quite far in all the comps and do win a few or a number of trophies. But then sometimes we are (or have been, maybe not this year, hopefully!) hindered when we need those very elite level players in the biggest of games in the CL. Because of this we rely massively on Guardiola. It’s his football philosophy, coupled with the holistic approach, that makes us so good. If Pep left us, I don’t think we’d be anywhere near as good as we are with anyone else because I’m not sure anyone else would get so much out of a squad of very good players with so few very elite level players.

This is in stark contrast to United, though. They’ve spent an almost identical amount of money on their squad as we have, but they haven’t got a squad. They’ve got a mish-mash of “names”, good quality, lazy fuckers who should be doing better, and shite. When certain players are out, the drop off in quality is huge. However, a bit like Liverpool, their first XI is good and a really good manager could do something with that team if they all stayed fit.
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What new sponsorship deal specifically
 
He's not done that badly at Liverpool though has he? First league trophy in 30 years, 2 CL finals including one win. Then there's the World Club stuff as well.

I kind of don't hate the guy at all. He's done a very, very good job at Liverpool and if he left now he'd probably walk into most top jobs in football.

Pep is better though.
 
Who has won the premier league with the most different managers? I know utd have only won it with one and arsenal the same, one for Liverpool too, Chelsea and us have 3.
Can't think of anyone apart from Mourinio, conte and Ancelotti. Please correct me if I've missed someone.
 
malg said:
He's not done that badly at Liverpool though has he? First league trophy in 30 years, 2 CL finals including one win. Then there's the World Club stuff as well.

I kind of don't hate the guy at all. He's done a very, very good job at Liverpool and if he left now he'd probably walk into most top jobs in football.

Pep is better though.
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I have always believed Klopp was an excellent manager based on the brilliant team he built at Dortmund who gave Bayern a run for their money. He is certainly a great motivator who can get the best out of players, at least in the short term. Perhaps his emotional style of management can only work for limited periods, a bit like Mancini was for us.
It looks like he has driven Liverpool into the ground by overplaying them. But to turn them round after 30 years of relative failure (by their late 1970s, and 80s standards anyway) was a significant achievement.
 
Bluster said:
We got away with it against Fulham, didn't with Villa. I agree with you that another slip up starts to create anxiety (to be fair, I am already very worried as I remember a season when a team lost an 8 point lead with 6 games to go). Ake and Mendy plus replacing all the big 4 attacking threats (KDB, Gundogan, Mahrez and FOden) was too much. The balance is he has to rotate slightly in the FA Cup and League cup finals to avoid having to play a B team in the league games.
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The problem is down our left side. Ake and Mendy can't hack it and we can't play Zin in every match. Cancello has been poor playing on the left but effective on the right. After all these years we still need another left back!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I have always believed Klopp was an excellent manager based on the brilliant team he built at Dortmund who gave Bayern a run for their money. He is certainly a great motivator who can get the best out of players, at least in the short term. Perhaps his emotional style of management can only work for limited periods, a bit like Mancini was for us.
It looks like he has driven Liverpool into the ground by overplaying them. But to turn them round after 30 years of relative failure (by their late 1970s, and 80s standards anyway) was a significant achievement.
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Agreed.
 
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