Pep Guardiola - 2020/21 Performances

[domalino]

And how have all 3 recovered from their initial injuries?

Is that you passing judgement on the medical staff? Because 1 comment ago you were adamant that's not what you were doing.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Is that you passing judgement on the medical staff? Because 1 comment ago you were adamant that's not what you were doing.

You're beyond embarrassing. You've just used 3 examples of players that struggled to come back from injuries using the same strategy as if you qualify that that strategy shouldn't be questioned?

Would you have this forum closed down if you could? You don't like any part of the club or players being questioned, so what's the point? Am I living in some parallel universe here where being a fan of a club is totally different to how I've lived for 38 years?

 

[domalino]

You're beyond embarrassing. You've just used 3 examples of players that struggled to come back from injuries using the same strategy as if you qualify that that strategy shouldn't be questioned?

Would you have this forum closed down if you could? You don't like any part of the club or players being questioned, so what's the point? Am I living in some parallel universe here where being a fan of a club is totally different to how I've lived for 38 years?

They do it for pretty much every injured player. When Jesus came back from injury he played 90 minutes three times in a row. When Gundogan came back they did the same.

I have no problem with the club or players being questioned, I do it myself multiple times a day on this forum. However there's a difference between debating things on a football forum, speculating on the unknown, going back and forth on the merits of player X and Y etc. and what you do.

You have the opinion that you know how to bring professional footballers back from injury better than the medical staff of Manchester City, and what they do is wrong. It's a completely delusional opinion based on absolutely fuck all knowledge or experience, and it's criticising a medical team that currently have us healthier than any of our rivals.

So I'm going to point out how stupid it is, because that's not discussing football, it's delusional.

 

[jay_mcfc]

They do it for pretty much every injured player. When Jesus came back from injury he played 90 minutes three times in a row. When Gundogan came back they did the same.

I have no problem with the club or players being questioned, I do it myself multiple times a day on this forum. However there's a difference between debating things on a football forum, speculating on the unknown, going back and forth on the merits of player X and Y etc. and what you do.

You have the opinion that you know how to bring professional footballers back from injury better than the medical staff of Manchester City, and what they do is wrong. It's a completely delusional opinion based on absolutely fuck all knowledge or experience, and it's criticising a medical team that currently have us healthier than any of our rivals.

So I'm going to point out how stupid it is, because that's not discussing football, it's delusional.

You're the one who has turned it into this, not me. My only point was aimed at you who made out like the club and physios can never be questioned. I used 1 example where it was clear that what they decided to do with Aguero didn't work out. You then got me mixed up with another poster when you mentioned KDB, something that I didn't do.

You're in the wrong place if you think players coming back from injuries play 3 games in 7 days then get injured again won't result in criticism of the manager.

 

[EdersonsSmiley]

Why are you making things up?

I'll tell you again - I am not grandstanding about the fitness of the players. I'm talking about how people like you believe that Guardiola is beyond reproach when he has clearly contradicted himself on numerous occasions and he clearly fucked up starting Aguero 3 games in a week. These things shouldn't even be controversial - they all happen and happened in front of your eyes.

How can you say playing Aguero three times in a week is clearly a fuck up?

Your whole argument seems to based on the premise that unless you really slowly reintroduce a player after injury they will get injured again, do you have any evidence for this or is it just a gut feeling.

Saying Aguero is now not fit is not evidence by the way as we have no idea if he would be fit if he had played 90 mins in all three games or only played 45 or played 2/3 games etc.

 

[jay_mcfc]

How can you say playing Aguero three times in a week is clearly a fuck up?

Your whole argument seems to based on the premise that unless you really slowly reintroduce a player after injury they will get injured again, do you have any evidence for this or is it just a gut feeling.

Saying Aguero is now not fit is not evidence by the way as we have no idea if he would be fit if he had played 90 mins in all three games or only played 45 or played 2/3 games etc.

Sigh!

 

[domalino]

You're the one who has turned it into this, not me. My only point was aimed at you who made out like the club and physios can never be questioned. I used 1 example where it was clear that what they decided to do with Aguero didn't work out. You then got me mixed up with another poster when you mentioned KDB, something that I didn't do.

You're in the wrong place if you think players coming back from injuries play 3 games in 7 days then get injured again won't result in criticism of the manager.

Do you have access to the players' GPS data that shows how fast they are running, how long the recoveries are, how much performance is relative to their baseline?

Do you have access to the daily blood tests the players have to determine how much cortisol is in their blood and thus how much inflammation or how stressed their bodies are?

Do you know the players training schedules? Or the GPS and fitness data from their training schedule?

Can you speak to the players and trainers to find out how they are actually feeling about their fitness?

Do you have years (or decades) of experience in managing elite athletes' fitness?

No? Then you cant question the medical staff. You cant, you've got no basis to do it.

You don't have the information to make the assessment of whether a medical decision is right or wrong. You don't have the knowledge to make a judgement on that information even if you had it.

Its like a blind child offering critique of a brain surgeon.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Do you have access to the players' GPS data that shows how fast they are running, how long the recoveries are, how much performance is relative to their baseline?

Do you have access to the daily blood tests the players have to determine how much cortisol is in their blood and thus how much inflammation or how stressed their bodies are?

Do you know the players training schedules? Or the GPS and fitness data from their training schedule?

Can you speak to the players and trains out hownthey are actually feeling about their fitness?

Do you have years (or decades) of experience in managing elite athletes' fitness?

No? Then you cant question the medical staff. You cant, you've got no basis to do it.

Its like a blind man child offering critique of a surgeon.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

You win, you insufferable ****.

 

[samarasra]

I wish more people would actually listen to Pep's interviews, not the pre or post match ones but the one's where he is not being hit with smart ass questions. When he gets going on football it is like listening to a talking encyclopedia, especially interesting to anyone who has coached or managed a team sport, at any level. Yet posters pick on some little sound bite and suddenly he's contradicting himself or not being truthful (he almost always is, except when reporters want pre match tip offs). If you listen carefully to what he says it becomes clear why some players take time to get what he wants from them or the team. He has spoken today about Phil and how he sees his role, many will not approve of what he said and toss out some well worn tropes and cliches. Other people say Pep is a genius, he does not say that himself, like us all he doesn't always get the result he hopes for. Of the hundreds of players he has previously coached very few have a rant about his coaching abilities, there will always be personality clashes or ego trips and they are probably the main sources of dispute when it occurs.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I wish more people would actually listen to Pep's interviews, not the pre or post match ones but the one's where he is not being hit with smart ass questions. When he gets going on football it is like listening to a talking encyclopedia, especially interesting to anyone who has coached or managed a team sport, at any level. Yet posters pick on some little sound bite and suddenly he's contradicting himself or not being truthful (he almost always is, except when reporters want pre match tip offs). If you listen carefully to what he says it becomes clear why some players take time to get what he wants from them or the team. He has spoken today about Phil and how he sees his role, many will not approve of what he said and toss out some well worn tropes and cliches. Other people say Pep is a genius, he does not say that himself, like us all he doesn't always get the result he hopes for. Of the hundreds of players he has previously coached very few have a rant about his coaching abilities, there will always be personality clashes or ego trips and they are probably the main sources of dispute when it occurs.

I watched it and I watched more contradictions. He said we don’t have two teams and he won’t rotate for the sake of it and he’s not thinking about the derby and he’s going all out to win. All whilst already announced that the reserve keeper will be playing. All whilst Foden has played the last 5 CL games and 0 of the last 6 PL games.

Nobody doubts that he’s not an absolute genius and we’re very grateful he’s here. But he contradicts himself constantly. You might think the journalists ask silly questions but sometimes he could just be honest and say ‘yeah tomorrow is a dead rubber that we really want to win but I will be making a number of changes ahead of a tough December of fixtures’? We all know that at least 8/9 if not all of the players from Saturday won’t play and we all know that at least 8/9 if not all of them will then come back for Saturday. Charades is best played later in December.