Pep Guardiola - 2022/23

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Vibes have been well off before.

Pep’s been with us for seven seasons and in four of those seasons we’ve been miles behind our three better seasons with vibes seemingly well off. Even though in one of those seasons we ended up winning the league!

2016-17: 3rd, 78 points; CL Ro16
2017-18: 1st, 100 points; CL ¼; EFL Cup w; Community Shield w
2018-19: 1st, 98 points; CL ¼; FA Cup w; EFL Cup w; Community Shield w
2019-20: 2nd, 81 points; CL ¼; EFL Cup w
2020-21: 1st, 86 points; CL final; EFL Cup w
2021-22: 1st, 93 points; CL ½

2022-23: currently 2nd, on course for an 82 point season, still in the CL and FA Cup. This season might not be anywhere near our worst under Pep.

Never like this. For the first time it seems like the players are not trusting in Pep and once you start losing the players, its very difficult to get them back imo.

The likes of Bernardo, Eric, Gundo, Dias, Cancelo - if they are not 100% committed just let them go in the summer no matter how good they are. Even Foden if he has really got a problem with Pep (possible fallout?). We need players that are going to give 100% for the manager. A few fresh faces will help alot, even maybe one or two players who have been out on loan, can be integrated into the squad (thinking of two Sheff Utd lads off top of my head, who maybe not quite ready yet but you know will be giving 100%)
 
Unless Pep is willing to commit long term, I don’t see the club opening the cheque book to a manager who would gone at the end of the season. We need a few good purchases. Unless we know who the new manager will be and we buy the players he wants. If Pep stays we are going to need a clearout and rebuild. It depends how many players are unhappy. What ever decision is reached we are looking at a couple seasons of transition. If Pep commits longer term he needs a strong assistant who he can bounce ideas off, and can be a bridge between him and the players. Short term extensions don’t allow for enough planning given the scale of the rebuild needed.

His whole management career he commits short term contracts so nothing new with his 2 year’s extension! He will get backed in the summer players will leave and we squashed the fraud Ten bob to his and there clubs expeditions of top four is a miracle on a budget of pence..
 
IMO the problem is that he's still trying to ressucitate the old team, and he's going to have to get to the point where he just says "Fuck it, let's experiment". Maybe we need to reach a lower rock bottom before he does that, because he spent 5 years working and developing the main system so it's not going to be easy to throw it away.

He's got to put Grealish in midfield for me. He's full of confidence, he's making things happen, and he needs to be on the ball as much as possible and pull people away from KDB.

Foden Haalan Mahrez
Grealish KDB
Rodri

The back 4 can sort itself out. We have 4 excellent CBs and one decent one (Akanji). We have one of the best RB's in the world and a very promising kid. I'd like some more consistency, but whichever 4 he chooses can do the job.
 
They can’t believe their luck. They’ve gone from bit-part players to first names on the team sheet. Not out of quality but because they will tow the line.

Pep is locked in a dick-measuring contest with half the squad, unfortunately for us, it’s with the better half of the squad.
Even IF! he gets rid of all the 'Sad Faces' and brings in 4 new players, we will still be shite! If he doesn't drop this new system.

Because Rodri will never have the pace to play in CDM alone or in a double Pivot, are we to assume Rodri will be leaving this summer? Thats ludicrous.

Haaland will never reach his potential if he's isolated up front because our wingers are on the touchline rather than playing inside wide, is he going to sell Haaland too?

Where does this 442 system come from?
Its comes from Peps burning desire to win the Champions League again, as much as he tries to downplay it he wants it so bad and its become detrimental to the team.

This is the formation he thinks will give us the best chance to win the UCL, more controlled possession, slower build-up to prevent turnovers and counter-attacks, a lethal striker to finish chances. He's using the domestic games to drill this system into the players, he wants it fine-tuned for the latter ucl stages.

Ironically, the deficiencies he's trying to prevent are more evident in this new system. We create less clear cut chances, we're less stable defensively, we suffer more counter-attacks. The players will never buy into it.

He can forget winning the Champions League this season, half the squad have checked out.
 
Vibes have been well off before.

Pep’s been with us for seven seasons and in four of those seasons we’ve been miles behind our three better seasons with vibes seemingly well off. Even though in one of those seasons we ended up winning the league!

2016-17: 3rd, 78 points; CL Ro16
2017-18: 1st, 100 points; CL ¼; EFL Cup w; Community Shield w
2018-19: 1st, 98 points; CL ¼; FA Cup w; EFL Cup w; Community Shield w
2019-20: 2nd, 81 points; CL ¼; EFL Cup w
2020-21: 1st, 86 points; CL final; EFL Cup w
2021-22: 1st, 93 points; CL ½

2022-23: currently 2nd, on course for an 82 point season, still in the CL and FA Cup. This season might not be anywhere near our worst under Pep.
Agreed that our worst case scenario this season is finishing top 4 and not wining a cup, so overall it'll be just fine. Hardly gonna lose sleep over a season like that. But the vibes are definitely the worst they've ever been. In other seasons the vibes have been alright and the team has been together, it's just not clicked on the pitch for whatever reason. But this year it seems like Pep and the players really are at odds with each other. Not a nice feeling.
 
I can see some fans are entitled but don't you think most of us are just concerned with the way we are playing & the obvious drop off in attitude and work rate ?
I don't expect to win trophies every year but i do expect 100% commitment from all involved & i don't think we're getting that.

After back to back titles the World Cup I just think it’s one of those drop of seasons! If we can win a trophy and finish top four, for a drop of season a transitional season that be a very good season..

Think pep sees it in the players the hunger not there as much the fatigue and that in my opinion is why he keep changing the team to keep them in there toes but it’s hard when some players want to go and are league fatigued..
 
Agree with that, but a drastic clear out may create more problems than solutions.

Pep and Klopp are failing relative to their respective standards. Let's face it, it's a failure to lose a title race against a team that has 2-3 players who would be starters at City. Arsenal's squad is far from our squad experience and quality wise.

If we win nothing, especially if United finish above us, you'll see a lot of people turning against Pep. I won't be among them. It's natural to have bad seasons, even for the best managers. Think our problems this season are partly self-inflicted. Pep's formations and line-ups after the WC were a bit OTT. Thought he was scared that we could go the Liverpool way this season, and his reactions lead to self-fulfilling prophecies.

Anyone having a go at pep are knee jerk and don’t know how good they’ve had it!
 
i miss the time when the front 3 is lethal - Sane, Aguero & Sterling. fast winger hold the line, making runs left and right, they stretch out the opponents, open up the space, and Aguero is there to finish it all.

what happen to that system? joy to watch, simple, effective and destructive to opponents.
These players are out there n’all:

We already have Foden, then there’s Leao Mitoma Kvaratskhelia…

Add a top left footed left back to a couple of those above put Grealish in midfield and we’d be flying again!
 
Anyone having a go at pep are knee jerk and don’t know how good they’ve had it!

Spot on.

If things don't improve next season, Pep himself will decide to go.

We still can win the CL this season. Real and Liverpool have problems, one from PSG and Bayern will be out, preferably Bayern. It's a distinct possibility and the players will be up for it. We ain't winning the CL with Rico Lewis, though. Play Walker and Ake at FB and tweak the formation to compensate for their limitations in attack.
 
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Why did Pep leave Munich? Had he lost the dressing room or just his normal 3 years and I’m off?
Pep left Bayern after he felt they weren’t signing the players or kind of players he was asking for.

I think he wanted Sterling Suarez Veratti Hazard and others over a few transfer windows and didn’t get any of them.
 
The midfield for the rest of this season (bar injuries) is probably: De Bruyne - Rodri - Gundo. It has its weaknesses of course but still is the best midfield trio amongst the available. I hope Pep goes back to that proven selection.

Proven?

The only thing proven about it is a lack of mobility and athleticism and next to no recovery ability......its just about our worst trio.
 
This is Pep's best 11,IMO

-------------Eddie--------
Walker--Stones--Dias--Ake
--------------Rodri------------
-------Bernie--Grealish-----
Foden-----Haaland-----Alvarez
I wouldn’t disagree too much. Toss up between de Bruyne, Silva and Gundogan as none of them are exactly in top form but at top form I’d have de Bruyne. I’d also like to see Grealish played there.
 
Not been backed???
Our entire defence is injured constantly. We have needed a left back since zabba left & central midfielder since silva left.

We never have a complete squad it seems. Yes we have spent cash but we have sold just as much. Our squad is average
 
That's what people said about the GPC before he jumped ship at the swamp.

Past glories count for nothing when your luck runs out. You just end up throwing good money after bad.
I actually see pep walking this season.

It will take at least 2 transfer windows to sort this out. We have let complacency set in all over the club. Our transfers have not been great. It’s all 1 step forward 2 back

We need first team replacements not squad players.

We need 2/3 defenders. What we have are never fit

2/3 midfielders. Gundy too old, Bernardo wants out, Phillips is a sick note & Kev not consistent

At least 1 more striker. Haaland needs specific service. Alvarez still learning

We need a captain & somebody to replace Arteta. Players loved him.

The club have allowed it all to go very stale sadly
 
Pep left Bayern after he felt they weren’t signing the players or kind of players he was asking for.

I think he wanted Sterling Suarez Veratti Hazard and others over a few transfer windows and didn’t get any of them.

In a nutshell then... He wasn't getting his own way so he took his ball home.

He can't handle not having full control, but won't accept responsibility when things go wrong.

It was the Board at Bayern, it's the media and the fans at City. Never his fault. He's an ego maniac. Great when it all works, a nightmare when it doesn't.
 
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