Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

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I understand that, and I’m not looking for a knee jerk reaction neither, but in your own opinion where does that leave this season way things are?
I mean let’s be honest we don’t really want that Thursday night football, (wishful thinking) and not wanting to sound raggish, but if we finish out of the European places altogether where does that leave us in getting in decent recruitments in, it’s worrying as fuck and being calm is one thing but in reality it’s concerning now
Honestly I think we'll bring in one or two and finish top 4, if we don't and end up in the Europa, then so be it but highly unlikely. I don't think it's worth worrying what if, when it comes to recruitment.
 
I feel like this is an issue - City fans comparing this season to Pep's first season.

In 16/17, we didn't have the personnel to fully execute Pep's style but we were actually a very good side. We were the best team in terms of expected points and goals, we were exciting to watch.

This season isn't like that, we're genuinely a terrible team - our form over 12 games is the worst in Europe. This is alarmingly bad.

Yes we can look back at all of this in a year if our form improves to a semi respectable level but there's no way we're making it that far if this continues as is. No club can sit tight and have this continue.
I think we can and almost certain we will
 
Serious question: Do you really think he should be sacked? Keep in mind, he’s rebuilt this team twice, and both times he built winning teams. This feels like trying to overthrow the captain who happens to be the only one who knows how to read the map, use the compass, and communicate with the locals at the destination—just because there have been some challenges along the way, despite the fact that he's successfully navigated this journey multiple times before.

I haven't said he should be sacked, that's the Board's decision and I don't think they're either brave or stupid enough to risk it.

I think Pep needs to be (and probably already is) having a long look at his position. I'm not a doctor, but he clearly doesn't look or sound well. Frustration is clearly getting to him - Feyenoord being the most public display - and he seems to be beating himself up more psychologically every week this goes on.

For his own health, I personally think he needs a very long break from football.
 
Given the current situation, I wouldn’t consider making changes to a system that has become unsuited to most of the squad to be 'kneejerk blind panic'.

Pep is the one who needs to react with something other than 'more of the same'.

Regardless of the business, I think it reasonable to expect a more creative approach than 'more of the same' from someone paid in the region of £20m a year.

As I've said before, Pep's stubborn belief in his system will be the end of him. He'll probably die on his own sword.

For me, it feels a bit like the situation with Mourinho at Chelsea in 2015. Chelsea came in to season 15/16 as the defending Champions and Mourinho was regarded as being one of the best managers in the world, yet it all went sour in such a short space of time, with very little hint at the start of the season of what was going to happen. Mourinho never hit the heights he did after that title win in 14/15. It might be the same for Pep. Managers are just like players, they age, go through stress and fatigue, and if they've won everything like Mourinho and Pep, maybe feel they have nothing more to prove and don't feel a need to change things, but to stick to what they know best which brought them success. Managers peak and decline too. Look at Wenger, he never won the title again with Arsenal after the Invincibles season. Clough at Forest. Consider two of Pep's managerial mentors; Cruyff and Bielsa. Cruyff didn't stay in management for very long and quit while he was ahead. Bielsa doesn't stay at any club for long, and his Leeds team declined pretty dramatically after he did so well for them. I'm not saying the same thing will happen with Pep, but he's been in management for nearly 20 years now. That is a lot, and it's also top level management as well, not managing in the Championship or fairly obscure leagues. When he said he'll never manage another club after City, it means he's near the end of this intense top level managing.
 
No club can, this is not bad/inconsistent form, this is the worst form in Europe. There's no example of it ever happening.
Wouldn't know about other clubs. I think I know ours pretty well though and I'd be pretty confident Pep will stay in charge and we'll be back to our best next season and beyond.I find very hard to see why others can't look at those in charge and their acheivments ,history and think otherwise,or anything different would happen..
 
Wouldn't know about other clubs. I think I know ours pretty well though and I'd be pretty confident Pep will stay in charge and we'll be back to our best next season and beyond.I find very hard to see why others can't look at those in charge and their acheivments ,history and think otherwise,or anything different would happen..
Because they've shown over the past couple of years they're anything but infallible. Our recruitment has been objectively poor and we've sold off an academy that would've set us up for a dynasty.

I don't think the club will "sack" Pep, but all parties will know that this level of form cannot continue for many more months - there has to be some pressure on Pep to turn this around to a respectable level and pressure on the club to make the right signings.
 
Equally stupid reactions from some of the more vocal happy clappers too. Calling people rags is a sure sign of an impoverished argument, as is following any manager uncritically. A few points if I may:

- The thread is NOT infested with red cartel fans. If any of you genuinely think it is, let’s have a few names. I’ll settle for 5. If you can’t or won’t, then you’ve fcuk all entitlement to be calling others.

- Read the more critical posts and the vast majority say Pep has enough credit in the bank to be given a chance BUT is not currently showing any inclination of how to solve it. Therefore they are worried. How the fcuk is that either irrational or treasonable?

- (A minority of posts have gone OTT. Neither Pep nor any players deserve abuse. Even then I put it down to frustration and annoyance rather than reds in the bed.)

- Since when has past performance been a surefire guide to future success? I doubt you’ll find a single poster (even among the alleged red cartel fans) who doesn’t rate Pep as one of the greatest and most innovative football managers ever…. but under very different conditions than now. When has he ever before lost 9/12 matches and presided over an injury hit, dispirited looking, ageing and fatigued squad?

- How many of the above problems lie at Pep’s door, either directly or in part?

- History shows that every empire has its day. This may well be the end of our dominance because the players who took us there are mostly at or near the end of their City careers. It doesn’t signal the end as a top club though. Many of us are realistic enough to settle for that, whether under Pep or someone else, but we won’t just sit and wait. People will still shout and moan if they can’t see remedial measures being taken.

- And, because the club will continue, there will always be a tension between expediency and long termism (if there’s such a word) on player development policy. Both sides have their points and it doesn’t mean the opposing viewpoint is crap.
 
If Pep, who see them and our youngsters in training every day have made the judgement that the youngsters are even worse, then yes. To start players who are even worse just to "play the kids" is saying that you have given up.

Jack has won 3 straight PL titles including a treble and started in our CL final win. "Contributed fuck all" is complete BS and a laughable statement. Gundo wasn't here last season but Lavia was sold before that and the season after we sold him we won the treble with Gundo as our captain so your argument makes no sense. Not to mention that succession planning is mainly Txikis job (and soon Vianas).

You are making the assumption that the children in our youth teams are as good as or better than the players you want benched. Which you have no idea if they are, but still assume you know more about their ability than Pep. It seems foolish to assume that they are just as good as our senior players and its just that the manager with most trophies per season in world football that has no clue about how to rate a players ability. Also funny how you demand to see more kids play but also complain when the best out of them get minutes, "Peps adopted son". The irony.
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Thinking children in our youth teams most likely are not good enough to play PL football = "happy clapper"
Thinking we should play children and most likely lose with even more = "demanding fan"
 
Thinking children in our youth teams most likely are not good enough to play PL football = "happy clapper"
Thinking we should play children and most likely lose with even more = "demanding fan"
I think my only critique with the academy players is we should've used them to break this injury cycle. We could all see what was going to happen with our CBs - playing JSP isn't the make or break of why we're conceding.
 
Playing deeper and using Doku / Savinho on the counter supporting Haaland, would give a lot more support to the defence.

That would at least stem most of the daft mistakes we've been making, and may well provide the goals we're sadly lacking.

January window is tough. We've got to try to offload a few of our biggest earners to clear the decks for (no doubt overpriced) signings who will probably need six months to 'settle in'.

Hugo Viana has got a lot on his plate thanks to Txiki's shortsighted succession planning.
Not sure those two sitting deeper is the answer, but hey might as well try it.
 
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Thinking children in our youth teams most likely are not good enough to play PL football = "happy clapper"
Thinking we should play children and most likely lose with even more = "demanding fan"

Hey, Uncle, repeating this distorted “view” 100 times doesn’t make it any more valid or interesting.
 
I think my only critique with the academy players is we should've used them to break this injury cycle. We could all see what was going to happen with our CBs - playing JSP isn't the make or break of why we're conconceding
Think the issue is that the side has no pace and no energy, that's what youth players can bring

They have energy and they can make the difference and get some points on the board

What Pep is trying is not working, so why not experiment can't get worse we are losing every game getting battered along the way
 
Thinking children in our youth teams most likely are not good enough to play PL football = "happy clapper"
Thinking we should play children and most likely lose with even more = "demanding fan"
McAtee is not a child. He's a 22 year old academy product who has played as a starter in the Prem. He is one of the best players on England's U21 squad every time he takes the pitch. If you are correct that the Gundo we watched yesterday is a better option than McAtee then the lad might as well retire now. C'mon mate, what are we doing here? You don't need me to tell anyone Pep is having a mare currently. the results and performances speak for themselves. Whether he gets things sorted or if he deserves the opportunity to do so are other matters. The facts are right now he's struggling mightily to get things right. There's no need to come on a City forum and gaslight fellow Blues into thinking otherwise. The reality of what we are witnessing speaks for itself.
 
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