Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

I constantly defend Pep on the basis that with the same players Pellegrini would have won maybe 2 leagues in the time Pep has been here rather than 6. Same applies to Roberto.
Pep's seen off Jürgen and Arteta.
But the results recently have been shocking and the performance even worse.
I think Pep is done. Obviously noone will ever sack possibly the greatest manager anywhere ever. So for me it's up to him. But 1 win in 12 could become 1 win in 20 and for a club with so many still good players it raises the question about whether he should continue.
 
Grealish’s Shinpads said:
Mate, none of these other players you are listing were good enough to play for us at the time and if you’d asked fans at the start of the season, the majority wouldn’t have wanted them in our squad, let alone our starting XI.

Lavia is a sick note, Frimpong is a wingback who wouldn’t suit our system and Rogers looks great when he has space to run at players but hasn’t shown any evidence that he would cope with the kind of low block we face game in game out.

That doesn’t even account for the fact that they’ve now had experience (at teams worse than ours) in senior football that has made them better players than they were when they played for us. Would you have played Lavia instead of Rodri in one of our PL winning seasons? Or Rogers instead of Foden?

I’m all for giving youth a chance if they’re good enough and we’ve seen Pep do it. He’s done it with Foden, Palmer, Bobb and Lewis because he felt they were good enough to be given those opportunities at the highest level
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Foden wasn't good enough to play for us in 2019 either mate, he was still given significant minutes to prove his talent and to keep him at the club, same thing with Lewis over the past two seasons, wasn't good enough to start but was still given game time, I argue we should've done the same with some of the players mentioned, either that or buy some fucking players, we did neither and we're in trouble, all of the players mentioned could help us now even Pedro Porro as well.

As for Palmer like I said he let him go just when he started to show his quality, allowing him to leave after Mahrez left didn't make sense despite the money from Chelsea, it left us with no Right wingers, similiar to selling Alvarez leaving us with no backup striker, a terrible decision.
 
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Chak19 said:
Foden wasn't good enough to play for us in 2019 either mate what's your point ? he was still given significant minutes to prove his talent and to keep him at the club, same thing with Lewis over the past two seasons, wasn't good enough to start but was still given game time, I argue we should've done the same with some of the players mentioned, either that or buy some fucking players, we did neither and we're in trouble, all of the players mentioned could help us now even Pedro Porro as well.

As for Palmer like I said he let him go just when he started to show his quality, allowing him to leave after Mahrez left didn't make sense despite the money from Chelsea, it left us with no Right wingers, similiar to selling Alvarez leaving us with no backup striker, a terrible decision.
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If Foden wasn’t good enough to play then he wouldn’t have played. Same with Lewis, Bobb and Palmer. The reason why the others didn’t get (as many) opportunities as the players just mentioned is because they weren’t as good as them.

Where we did mess up is poor recruitment; I agree with you on that. We should’ve brought in a Rodri back-up and an Alvarez replacement. We should’ve sold Walker when we had the chance and replaced him too.

Playing youth players who aren’t ready isn’t the solution to our current problems though. The truth is that players like O’Reilly, McAtee, Simpson-Pusey, etc aren’t good enough to start for a team that wants to compete for and win every trophy, and clearly Pep thinks that they aren’t even good enough to do a better job than our senior players at the moment.
 
Im not sure he is being as kind as he thinks if his mentality is "Im not gonna put the youth in this shitshow, the seniors have to figure it out"

Some youth players have the mentality, they just want to show what they can do, regardless of result, and that is kind to the seniors to rest them.

His decision to do the opposite affecta BOTH groups now, youth who are probably lacking purpose because they wont get chances, and seniors whose bodies are destroyed.

Its pretty catastrophic decision making by Pep.

He has done it his whole time here, but only now (and arguably for a time last season) is it catching up to him.

I hope he doesnt go full Mourinho and refuse to adapt.
 
robbieh said:
I constantly defend Pep on the basis that with the same players Pellegrini would have won maybe 2 leagues in the time Pep has been here rather than 6. Same applies to Roberto.
Pep's seen off Jürgen and Arteta.
But the results recently have been shocking and the performance even worse.
I think Pep is done. Obviously noone will ever sack possibly the greatest manager anywhere ever. So for me it's up to him. But 1 win in 12 could become 1 win in 20 and for a club with so many still good players it raises the question about whether he should continue.
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If we can’t beat any of Everton, Leicester, West Ham, Salford, Brentford and Ipswich before we face PSG and Chelsea then yes, maybe it will be time for him to go. But win the next two games (which even in our current form we really ought to) and the mood might change
 
Grealish’s Shinpads said:
If Foden wasn’t good enough to play then he wouldn’t have played. Same with Lewis, Bobb and Palmer. The reason why the others didn’t get (as many) opportunities as the players just mentioned is because they weren’t as good as them.

Where we did mess up is poor recruitment; I agree with you on that. We should’ve brought in a Rodri back-up and an Alvarez replacement. We should’ve sold Walker when we had the chance and replaced him too.

Playing youth players who aren’t ready isn’t the solution to our current problems though. The truth is that players like O’Reilly, McAtee, Simpson-Pusey, etc aren’t good enough to start for a team that wants to compete for and win every trophy, and clearly Pep thinks that they aren’t even good enough to do a better job than our senior players at the moment.
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But my point is Pep doesn't always get it right, just because he didn't see something special in the names mentioned doesn't mean he was right, you could argue that those players playing well in other clubs have proved him wrong, and the fact he sold Palmer means he didn't see something special about him either.

I never claimed playing youth is the solution to our problems, but how can we know when he hasn't tried it ? and I've also said playing youth isn't just to give them a chance, it's also to give the injured and tired senior players a time to rest and heal their injuries so they could comeback fitter and fresher, constantly rushing them back from injuries isn't working at all, it's just hurting us in the short and long terms, playing youth might helps us in the long term.
 
samuelyeboah said:
Question - do you think most other managers would have gotten more points out of the last 12 games? I believe the answer is certainly yes.
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Do you think that most managers would have won 4 straight PLs and 6 out of the last 7 including 2 trebles? 100 points, 4 straight league cups? Is the answer still yes?
 
Grealish’s Shinpads said:
If we can’t beat any of Everton, Leicester, West Ham, Salford, Brentford and Ipswich before we face PSG and Chelsea then yes, maybe it will be time for him to go. But win the next two games (which even in our current form we really ought to) and the mood might change
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I think we might beat Everton as we are at home. Should be 15 points from that lot in the league. But I reckon we'll get 9.
Which in itself would be a relief after the recent shit show.
I think we'll finish with around 50 points so should be safe.
 
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