Pep Guardiola

Didsbury Dave said:
oakiecokie said:
GXCity said:
What has Pep done wrong? If Bobby does go then why wouldn't we want him?

I personally don't want change, however, I don't own the club and make the decisions.

Fromwhat I have seen and heard Pep and his agent have done nothing wrong

Probably no different than when the war lords were looking at sacking Leslie.
there was a poll on here the week Hughes was sacked and there's a clear majority in favour of keeping him.

Oh dear. Clear majority of blue hang head in embarrassment then. The guy was an utter tool and should have been sacked ages before he did. We are STILL unpicking the damage that moron did.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
oakiecokie said:
GXCity said:
What has Pep done wrong? If Bobby does go then why wouldn't we want him?

I personally don't want change, however, I don't own the club and make the decisions.

Fromwhat I have seen and heard Pep and his agent have done nothing wrong

Probably no different than when the war lords were looking at sacking Leslie.
there was a poll on here the week Hughes was sacked and there's a clear majority in favour of keeping him.
I think all fans are same. The current is great and then the new is the best. I like Bobby but I love Pep. However it's clear Mancini will finish this season so we'll see what will happen in next 6 months.
 
BillyShears said:
Chippy_boy said:
We are STILL unpicking the damage that moron did.

Like what ? You're going to have to back that statement up ...

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For example/

Should have been sacked for that alone the cretin.
 
bapi said:
Didsbury Dave said:
oakiecokie said:
Probably no different than when the war lords were looking at sacking Leslie.
there was a poll on here the week Hughes was sacked and there's a clear majority in favour of keeping him.
I think all fans are same. The current is great and then the new is the best. I like Bobby but I love Pep. However it's clear Mancini will finish this season so we'll see what will happen in next 6 months.

You love Pep? Very bizarre.
 
Chippy_boy said:
BillyShears said:
Chippy_boy said:
We are STILL unpicking the damage that moron did.

Like what ? You're going to have to back that statement up ...

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For example/

Should have been sacked for that alone the cretin.

Nonsense. All managers make bad signings and if you're going to give him shit for signing RSC, Bridge, et al, then you have to give him credit for signing CT, Zaba, Komps, etc.
 
BillyShears said:
Chippy_boy said:
BillyShears said:
Like what ? You're going to have to back that statement up ...

roque-santa-cruz_61771.jpg


For example/

Should have been sacked for that alone the cretin.

Nonsense. All managers make bad signings and if you're going to give him shit for signing RSC, Bridge, et al, then you have to give him credit for signing CT, Zaba, Komps, etc.

You can't possibly spend £20m on a player with a history of knee problems, whilst he is actually on crutches and never in a million years able to pass a medical. It was a ridiculous thing to do.

When you consider the amount he spent after Sven had gone and he managed to get us 10th, it was shameful. But not unexpected with an empty suit running the show.

Then 2 wins in 11 in the following season and people are upset over his sacking? I would have shot him, not sacked him.

And anyway, I said we were still upicking the shit he left behind. You asked for evidence. I gave it you. Ironside is still on our books.
 
Chippy_boy said:
BillyShears said:
Chippy_boy said:
roque-santa-cruz_61771.jpg


For example/

Should have been sacked for that alone the cretin.

Nonsense. All managers make bad signings and if you're going to give him shit for signing RSC, Bridge, et al, then you have to give him credit for signing CT, Zaba, Komps, etc.

You can't possibly spend £20m on a player with a history of knee problems, whilst he is actually on crutches and never in a million years able to pass a medical. It was a ridiculous thing to do.

When you consider the amount he spent after Sven had gone and he managed to get us 10th, it was shameful. But not unexpected with an empty suit running the show.

Then 2 wins in 11 in the following season and people are upset over his sacking? I would have shot him, not sacked him.

And anyway, I said we were still upicking the shit he left behind. You asked for evidence. I gave it you. Ironside is still on our books.

I agree with this, he was a joke of a manager. He may well have brought a couple of quality players but zab & kompany have flourished since his departure. I doubt that both would have developed as much had Hughes still been here.
 
RACHACE said:
Chippy_boy said:
BillyShears said:
Nonsense. All managers make bad signings and if you're going to give him shit for signing RSC, Bridge, et al, then you have to give him credit for signing CT, Zaba, Komps, etc.

You can't possibly spend £20m on a player with a history of knee problems, whilst he is actually on crutches and never in a million years able to pass a medical. It was a ridiculous thing to do.

When you consider the amount he spent after Sven had gone and he managed to get us 10th, it was shameful. But not unexpected with an empty suit running the show.

Then 2 wins in 11 in the following season and people are upset over his sacking? I would have shot him, not sacked him.

And anyway, I said we were still upicking the shit he left behind. You asked for evidence. I gave it you. Ironside is still on our books.

I agree with this, he was a joke of a manager. He may well have brought a couple of quality players but zab & kompany have flourished since his departure. I doubt that both would have developed as much had Hughes still been here.
This.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You can't possibly spend £20m on a player with a history of knee problems, whilst he is actually on crutches and never in a million years able to pass a medical. It was a ridiculous thing to do.

When you consider the amount he spent after Sven had gone and he managed to get us 10th, it was shameful. But not unexpected with an empty suit running the show.

Then 2 wins in 11 in the following season and people are upset over his sacking? I would have shot him, not sacked him.

And anyway, I said we were still upicking the shit he left behind. You asked for evidence. I gave it you. Ironside is still on our books.

That's not evidence of anything. Like I said, all managers make bad signings. Criticise his abilities as a manager all you want, you won't get any arguments from me. But the anger and bitterness which is seemingly generated when Hughes' name is mentioned on the forum is far removed from what he actually did at the club. He was the wrong man at the wrong time. He got sacked. But he left Mancini with the core of his title winning side. We should have no hard feelings.
 
BillyShears said:
Chippy_boy said:
You can't possibly spend £20m on a player with a history of knee problems, whilst he is actually on crutches and never in a million years able to pass a medical. It was a ridiculous thing to do.

When you consider the amount he spent after Sven had gone and he managed to get us 10th, it was shameful. But not unexpected with an empty suit running the show.

Then 2 wins in 11 in the following season and people are upset over his sacking? I would have shot him, not sacked him.

And anyway, I said we were still upicking the shit he left behind. You asked for evidence. I gave it you. Ironside is still on our books.

That's not evidence of anything. Like I said, all managers make bad signings. Criticise his abilities as a manager all you want, you won't get any arguments from me. But the anger and bitterness which is seemingly generated when Hughes' name is mentioned on the forum is far removed from what he actually did at the club. He was the wrong man at the wrong time. He got sacked. But he left Mancini with the core of his title winning side. We should have no hard feelings.

I have no hard feelings. I am just glad we sacked him and wish we had done it sooner. Anyway, let's move on. Like Marky will shortly be doing again, no doubt.
 
NipHolmes said:
I wouldn't normally listen to Guillem but when it comes to Barca he knows his stuff.

I want Mancini to stay and see his work out but not qualifying for Europe knockout stages costs us £15mill a season (ish) and that's now £30million that we are 'down'. Stop seeing Mancini as the manager of a club as part of a sport, he is a manager of a business and we aren't making as much cash as we should and with FFP we need to be getting every penny in. Qualifying for Europe is a must and so to is getting out of the group stages. It will 100% end up costing him his job if this poor form in Europe continues.

If this was Tescos and they did well in England but not in Europe they'd target a CEO that had previous good form in Europe and would ask them to lead the way for them to expand into Europe. This is no different.

Nonsense. The top ten Tesco's stores in the UK, all had bigger turnovers and hugely bigger profits than any off the worlds top clubs. City is a way for our owner to raise his countries profile in a positive manner its a PR exercise. It took them 30 years of patient planning to produce quality racehorses, they will have the same patience with City, in creating the right club. Mancini has won the league in two different leagues, where it wasn't simply a two horse race. Pep is good, but we have either 2 3rds, or half of what made it possible in terms of planning and support. Personally I think Pep will end up a PSG.
 
....he comes from italy...to manage man city.....MANCINI wooooaaahhhh.....MANCINI wwooooaaahhhh!!!!
 
VOOMER said:
NipHolmes said:
I wouldn't normally listen to Guillem but when it comes to Barca he knows his stuff.

I want Mancini to stay and see his work out but not qualifying for Europe knockout stages costs us £15mill a season (ish) and that's now £30million that we are 'down'. Stop seeing Mancini as the manager of a club as part of a sport, he is a manager of a business and we aren't making as much cash as we should and with FFP we need to be getting every penny in. Qualifying for Europe is a must and so to is getting out of the group stages. It wi

ll 100% end up costing him his job if this poor form in Europe continues.

If this was Tescos and they did well in England but not in Europe they'd target a CEO that had previous good form in Europe and would ask them to lead the way for them to expand into Europe. This is no different.

Nonsense. The top ten Tesco's stores in the UK, all had bigger turnovers and hugely bigger profits than any off the worlds top clubs. City is a way for our owner to raise his countries profile in a positive manner its a PR exercise. It took them 30 years of patient planning to produce quality racehorses, they will have the same patience with City, in creating the right club. Mancini has won the league in two different leagues, where it wasn't simply a two horse race. Pep is good, but we have either 2 3rds, or half of what made it possible in terms of planning and support. Personally I think Pep will end up a PSG.

There's no nonsense about it.

If you have a target and it isn't reached you get the people to achieve the target. If Mancini fails to get out of group next year that's 45mill we are down!

My point about Tesco was the business angle. Too literal view from you.

Pep won't go to PSG, I laugh at that. Bayern, Chelsea, City or Milan. Carlo is a good manager anyway. He won what Mancini did in a season and was sacked for finishing second.
 
As I said elsewhere, Guardiola coming here is very likely imho. Personally I wish it were otherwise because its a huge risk and he might end up being worse than Bob and then where do we go.

But given the recent appointments and given our VERY likely early exit from the CL again, I think it's almost inevitable we will end up with Guardiola if he will come.

I said earlier that the appointment would be made by Christmas and I am sticking by that. If we starting losing games I would say it's a certainty. If we are 10 clear at the top by Christmas, it might give the powers that be pause for thought.
 
I love Mancini, but I feel he might have peaked with this squad. I think Guardiola could get more out of the players we have and would start by playing everyone in there best positions (while also giving more youngsters a chance)
 
Can't help but think Guardiola would fit in more with the long term vision of the club, introducing youth, building a defined playing identity, and just generally becoming a bit of a smoother outfit.

However i think success would be far from guaranteed under him, it'd be another fairly big shift in playing philosophy and assumably players, it'd be the first time he'd have to build and implement his own philosophy rather than perfect what's already there, and i'm not even sure the Barca style, without having the very very best players (which they do) would result in sustained success in England. We don't have a Messi, Xavi or Iniesta, we don't even have Valdez or Pique who are so comfortable at the back on the ball.

If he was to come, i think he'd have to show flexibility in his style and accept that it'd take a long time to bring through players good enough to emulate Barca.

It'd be a big gamble for me, one i'd understand if we took, but i think i'd prefer we stick with Mancini for now.

I assume the conundrum is that Guardiola is available right now, and if we don't move for him soon he might get tied down to another club for the next 5 years
 

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