oh god. Classic expectation realignment to suit a narrative.Caveman said:This year hasn't been an underachievement in the CL. Dortmund and Madrid are both better than us. In many ways.greasedupdeafguy said:Well with us he has been, knocked out twice in the europa league against pretty poor opposition and now basically knocked out in CL for the second year in a row. With the squad he hes had at his disposal its a massive underachievement which ever way you look at it.royle said:Ferguson would not of gotten United out of the Champions league group we had last season or this,does this make Ferguson a bad manager in Europe?
Mancini isn't a failure in Europe,it is just the circumstances we are in that makes Europe at this time difficult. If we had Uniteds group last season or this we would of qualified.
Mancini is a good manager,he has proved it winning titles in countries with struggling clubs,Pep on the other hand took over the dominant club in Spain and had the luck of having the best player in the world in his ranks,why anyone should put Peps achievements above Mancinis I don't know,it is only an opinion but I really doubt Pep could of gotten us so far so fast as Mancini has.
Didsbury Dave said:oh god. Classic expectation realignment to suit a narrative.Caveman said:This year hasn't been an underachievement in the CL. Dortmund and Madrid are both better than us. In many ways.greasedupdeafguy said:Well with us he has been, knocked out twice in the europa league against pretty poor opposition and now basically knocked out in CL for the second year in a row. With the squad he hes had at his disposal its a massive underachievement which ever way you look at it.
We are the English fucking champions. We have miles better players than Dortmund and Ajax. Therefore our results have been poor. Ludicrous to suggest anything else.
Chippy_boy said:Didsbury Dave said:oh god. Classic expectation realignment to suit a narrative.Caveman said:This year hasn't been an underachievement in the CL. Dortmund and Madrid are both better than us. In many ways.
We are the English fucking champions. We have miles better players than Dortmund and Ajax. Therefore our results have been poor. Ludicrous to suggest anything else.
Hard to disagree with that.
CityCTID said:We batter Sunderland with the like of Milner, Barry, Richard and Lescott, Yet we flopped at Ajax with the same players.
Sorry but Neah, we DON'T have miles better players than Dortmund and Ajax.
tolmie's hairdoo said:Edgar Davids has had a pop at Mancini's management style in The Mail today.
tolmie's hairdoo said:Edgar Davids has had a pop at Mancini's management style in The Mail today.
Chippy_boy said:CityCTID said:We batter Sunderland with the like of Milner, Barry, Richard and Lescott, Yet we flopped at Ajax with the same players.
Sorry but Neah, we DON'T have miles better players than Dortmund and Ajax.
I think we do. We should have, considering what we have spent on them, compared to those teams.
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royle said:Chippy_boy said:CityCTID said:We batter Sunderland with the like of Milner, Barry, Richard and Lescott, Yet we flopped at Ajax with the same players.
Sorry but Neah, we DON'T have miles better players than Dortmund and Ajax.
I think we do. We should have, considering what we have spent on them, compared to those teams.
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What about Madrid and the money they have spent,Dortmund took four points off them,nearly six but for a last minute goal from Ozil,money spent has nothing to do with team quality,Dortmund are a quality team.
sergiokun said:
zeven said:This thread should be closed down.
We have a manager who have made us what we are! support him for fuck sake.
zeven said:This thread should be closed down.
We have a manager who have made us what we are! support him for fuck sake.
Chippy_boy said:royle said:Chippy_boy said:I think we do. We should have, considering what we have spent on them, compared to those teams.
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What about Madrid and the money they have spent,Dortmund took four points off them,nearly six but for a last minute goal from Ozil,money spent has nothing to do with team quality,Dortmund are a quality team.
Lets sell our lot and buy some new player for £8.50 then. Dickhead.
If you spend a fucking shitload, it is not an unreasonable expectation that you should be able to assemble a better team than another lot who spent diddly squat. Or else why would you spend it.
We should be better than Dortmund. If we are not, why not?
Champions2012! said:After tonight I think it's clear which team Guardiola would love to manage the most between City and Chelsea.