Pep Guardiola

Best scenario for City - since Roberto won't be our manager forever (talk of him only staying for his five year contract) - is Josep going to Milan and seeing how he does out of his Barcelona comfort zone and not with the best team in the world. Then if he proves himself on another stage to Barca with Milan then we can come in with an offer Milan/Josep can't refuse in 2017.

I can't see anything but positives in that. By then Mourinho will already have won a few trophies with United and will have fucked off to Bayern München for his next job, leaving United in the usual post-Jose-severe-decline he leaves all clubs in.
 
BlueDejong said:
DTguardian
Silvio Berlusconi says Milan want Guardiola but "difficult" - "there are some English clubs after Guardiola, especially City" via @Milanello
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Take what Silvio Berlusconi says with a pinch of salt he's a COCK!
 
Champions2012! said:
I hear Brazil also want him for their NT
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Never going to happen, Brazil have never appointed a foreign coach and it would be political impossibility for the CBF to go down such a route. Pep Guardiola may be the best foreigner on the market but seeing as how Brazilians take the viewpoint that you should pick brazil based players over those based in Holland and Russia then you really can't see him getting enough support.
I also think a Pep inspired Barcelona approach won't work for the Selecao, they just don't have the quality in CM, even less than Argentina who tried a similar system and failed and they have Messi!!
Spain's success in the Euros came as result of a parody rather than copying Barcelona i.e. they took possession and stagnation of the game to new levels and whilst Barcelona play without a conventional forward, Spain played without any forwards.
Arrigo Sacchi failed to translate his grand plan at Milan to the International stage, whilst he had access to the Italian defenders that were a rock at Milan,the three dutch men were essential to his system and they had no equals in the Italian national team.
You need much more time with the players than you will get at International level to implement such a great philosophy and the players are also unlikely to give as much commitment as a coach like Sacchi or Guardiola would command.
 
City Related - Balague Eulogising About Pep on TS Right Now

Has said some very nice things about Pep's qualities etc as you'd expect but was also very complimentary about us:

"I have been there and the things they are doing with the academy, and in the community, the things they are doing at all levels is amazing. They just need the coach who will push them to that next level and they will be there for a very long time."

H&J came back with the "...dressing room...egos...wages...big money..." and Balague went on to basically say it wouldn't be a problem for Guardiola who binned Deco, Ronaldinho and Eto'o at Barca.

All in all, spoke really well and it seems that out of all the clubs (scum - won't wait for sour alf to go; Arsenal - same as scum but Wenger; Chelsea - claims Pep has said he doesn't want Chelsea) we are the best option for him

Might be worth a listen again if/when it's available for those interested.
 
Re: City Related - Balague Eulogising About Pep on TS Right Now

Balague... who?



Guardiola who binned Keirrison, Hleb, Chygrynskiy to do what..... ?
 
Re: City Related - Balague Eulogising About Pep on TS Right Now

Roll On City said:
Balague... who?



Guardiola who binned Keirrison, Hleb, Chygrynskiy to do what..... ?
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Guillem Balague who is the Spanish correspondance for Sky Sports News.

What he is saying is that Pep dealt with these players egos and got rid of them. Whilst he appears to be saying he won't go to Chavksi, remember that Benitez is on a temporary contract until the summer which is when Pep sabatical finishes.....alledegedly.......despite the denials, reckon he will be at Chavski - if we win the title, Mancinci won't be going anywhere. If we don't, who knows............

We are NOT Chavski and The Sheik is NOT Abramovich.........
 
Re: City Related - Balague Eulogising About Pep on TS Right Now

CFC certainly seem to be intent on one man as they are making temporary appointments which introduces instability

You have to wonder at times whether Abramovic really is that infallible. He certainly seems to have made a lot of footballing errors during his rule at CFC. However, surely you would not take such risks over temporary appointments (in the middle of team re-building) unless he had received some assurances that Guardiola would consider an approach from CFC at the right time?

I am not convinced Guardiola can repeat what he did at Barcelona at any other club. He was a product of the Barcelona. A legend at that club and took the reins at a time when he had Messi and other great talents. The guy that has followed Guardiola is similarly having a great start to his managerial career.

Maybe Pep is another Bob Paisley. A manager who wins everything at one football club, but one who everyone will wonder could he do it elsewhere

Clough, Ferguson they built teams at different clubs several times. That is the test.

We should remember we have a manager who has done that too.
 
BlueDejong said:
DTguardian
Silvio Berlusconi says Milan want Guardiola but "difficult" - "there are some English clubs after Guardiola, especially City" via @Milanello
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He loves talking about city mate, most of it bull ****
 
sergiokun said:
BlueDejong said:
DTguardian
Silvio Berlusconi says Milan want Guardiola but "difficult" - "there are some English clubs after Guardiola, especially City" via @Milanello
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He loves talking about city mate, most of it bull ****
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Also said Ibrahimovic and Silva would be going nowhere. Sold them both a month later.
 
Not going to lie, I love Pep and would be delighted if he came here but I'm also a big fan of Mancini so not sure what I really want.

Is the chance to get Pep next summer too good to miss out on? Will the board think like that? Will Mancini get the boot even if he does deliver the title?
 
As much as I respect Pep for what he achieved whilst managing Barcelona, he has yet to test himself at any other club.
Yes he's proven at Barca, but the strength of that squad for me might of hidden cracks in his abilities as a manager.

I think he could possibly be a major flop at his next club. Unless he was brought in like he was at Barca and supervised the "B" team, or with City our Academy, then progresses onto the first team after implementing his philosophy with the youth.
 
Why Always Ste said:
As much as I respect Pep for what he achieved whilst managing Barcelona, he has yet to test himself at any other club.
Yes he's proven at Barca, but the strength of that squad for me might of hidden cracks in his abilities as a manager.

I think he could possibly be a major flop at his next club. Unless he was brought in like he was at Barca and supervised the "B" team, or with City our Academy, then progresses onto the first team after implementing his philosophy with the youth.
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I would agree with this, Guardiola so far has a CV with the best club in the world on it but nothing else. We could be dropping an almighty bollock by employing him, so personally, I think we shouldn't.
 
Bongo Joe said:
Not going to lie, I love Pep and would be delighted if he came here but I'm also a big fan of Mancini so not sure what I really want.

Is the chance to get Pep next summer too good to miss out on? Will the board think like that? Will Mancini get the boot even if he does deliver the title?
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Guardiola is a big risk. Is he a great manger or was he just in charge of the best team ever? I'd say, let him go and manager Milan while Roberto runs his five year contract with us and we enjoy a good few years with a manager most of us really like and enjoy lots more success under him. Then when Roberto wants a new challenge and its time for us to move on, too; then we get in Guardiola after he's "proven" himself at Milan.
 
The best coaching is playing the hand you are given and still winning.
14 trophies in what? Three years, was it? Yeah, let's give him a job with the academy. I'm sure he'll jump at the chance.
Pep is a great coach who transformed a very good side into the greatest club side ever (unless you're od enough to remember early 70's Ajax).
Yes he inherited great players. What was he supposed to do? Sell them and start again.
Here's the test: how would you feel if one of our rivals got him? How would you feel if Sore Alex stepped aside and handed over the keys to OT to him? Or if Abramovich won him over? Or if he declared his undying love for Liverpool...? Or Arsenal?
You'd be f**king worried. And you'd be right to be worried..
I have the world of respect for Mancini. It'd be hard on him and he probably wouldn't deserve it but Pep is just too good to ignore. Our owners would be foolish not to give his appointment very serious consideration (and Jose M!).
That said, I'd be happy with Mancini for another 10 years, if we on't change.
We're a long way from Ball, Neal, Coppell & Clarke, boys and girls.
 
mad4city said:
The best coaching is playing the hand you are given and still winning.
14 trophies in what? Three years, was it? Yeah, let's give him a job with the academy. I'm sure he'll jump at the chance.
Pep is a great coach who transformed a very good side into the greatest club side ever (unless you're od enough to remember early 70's Ajax).
Yes he inherited great players. What was he supposed to do? Sell them and start again.
Here's the test: how would you feel if one of our rivals got him? How would you feel if Sore Alex stepped aside and handed over the keys to OT to him? Or if Abramovich won him over? Or if he declared his undying love for Liverpool...? Or Arsenal?
You'd be f**king worried. And you'd be right to be worried..
I have the world of respect for Mancini. It'd be hard on him and he probably wouldn't deserve it but Pep is just too good to ignore. Our owners would be foolish not to give his appointment very serious consideration (and Jose M!).
That said, I'd be happy with Mancini for another 10 years, if we on't change.
We're a long way from Ball, Neal, Coppell & Clarke, boys and girls.
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It's like being scared of tomorrow because United have Rooney and Van Persie, or if we played Barca because they have Messi or Real because they have Ronaldo.

Got to play with what you've got, you're never going to have everything.
 
I know what ou're saying JMW and i agree up to a point.
Thing is, if Messi or Ronaldo became available, we'd be in the hunt for them too.
If we want to be the very best, we've got to employ the very best.
 
mad4city said:
I know what ou're saying JMW and i agree up to a point.
Thing is, if Messi or Ronaldo became available, we'd be in the hunt for them too.
If we want to be the very best, we've got to employ the very best.
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In managerial terms the best is much more subjective.

There is no-one who like Messi goes out and wins everything year after year after year.

Guardiola's stats are inflated by his lack of time managing and the fact he's only managed Barca.

Mourinho is hampered by his lack of a positive legacy at any club he's been at.

Mancini is hampered by the fact he after 10 years in management still hasn't delivered in Europe, and his stats show that.
 
The best at one club isn't necessarily the best at another as well.

A new manager (any new manager) comes with risks, will the players adapt, will the new manager be able to work with existing staff, will methods that succeeded at one club or league work in another.
 
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