PFA Back Tevez

[Prodigal Son]

It's all balls. He refused to play, eveybody at the club knows he refused to play. Tevez said he refused to play.

None of the other players on the bench who were there wanted to get involved and give evidence against a teammate hence the "your word against mine" scenario and the charge being lessened so one they could prove.

There's no way all those lads on the bench had faces like that because of a tiff over warming up.

What happened down there that night was serious.

The PFA can fuck off. How can refusing to warm up and risk serious injury and possibly a monumental cost to your employer not be seen as serious enough to go beyond the standard fine you get for coming in 5 mins past a fucking curfew.

It stinks.

We should form a breakaway league. With just us. We can watch our first team v our second team every fucking week and it will still be better than most of the shit in Europe ;-)

 

[cibaman]

Taylor refered to Tevez warming up during the Everton game "but not getting on"? Why would that be of any consequence?

 

[kippax_blueboy]

I,m sure the club reviewed all Sky coverage.
It is obviously not as cut and dried as it looks.
The club completed a full investigation with seniory directors, lawyers and the PFA.
He was only being investigated for the incident in Munich.
The club let him get away with his other previous actions.
Both Mancini and Tevez were wrong to speak to the cameras after the game.
Neither know UK employment law. Both said things that have not helped.
The situation is still a mess, there is no clear end.
City.cannot win.

 

[Anonymous]

The only place this will not go down well is Argentina. The lost revenue from that country will blow a hole in Citys finanaces to the tune of tens of pounds.

I almost feel sorry for him as I don't think it is him doing half of this. He isn't the brightest star in the sky and is being manipulated by a slimy little toad puppetmaster with his won anti-City agenda.

I'm glad that this has been mentioned here as I feel Argentina is the key to understanding the motives of this player. Essentially, wherever he goes he's playing for that country and that particular audience. It irks fans of his various clubs whenever he favors the NT jersey over the current club's at trophy ceremonies but that's pretty much his simplistic nature.

People didn't believe me at the time when I tried to explain this but I don't believe Tevez joined City out of spite for United or even for the money, but rather it was to secure first team position so as to keep his position on the NT going into the world cup. He was in the best shape I'd seen him in years in that first season with City, as well as being focused and on his best behavior (at least for him).

This all fell apart after Argentina got knocked out by Germany and thus his real motives for being at City evaporated. The only thing he was playing for last season was the PL scoring title to bring back to Argentina for bragging rights. That's why I believe he was more selfish last season than I've ever seen him really.

Then getting knocked out of the Copa America as well probably left him with little eagerness to stay in Europe or at least at City. Now that's the Player's motives. Kia is the real brain/mastermind behind this show as people have correctly seen. Tevez gives him the green light so long as it doesn't mess with the player's pride, but that's easy enough for someone as sly as Kia to manipulate anyway.

Even with the controversies, it can't be denied that these two are a formidable tandem. Tevez gets the results on the field while Kia gets the results off of it. And club fans will eventually realize that the rabid (FANatical) madness that charmed them about Tevez in the first place is in turn the same emotional instability/weakness that ultimately turns fans against him. Honestly, it's like looking in the mirror.

Also, the insane money that brings success to the top clubs in football is also the very thing that attracts vultures like Kia to the sport. It all goes hand-in-hand with modern era football, which I've been been both disgusted and fascinated by at times.

Cracking post Panzo. I'm still mightily pissed off with the whole affair and the weasel words being used to get this maggot off the hook. I think we all secretly knew it would end badly, I just don't think anyone realised just how badly.

I know it's childish, but I feel sufficiently pissed off to hope a club in the Emirates offers us £40m for him and we use extraordinary rendition to put him out there where UEFA/PFA has no jurisdiction and the powers that be can do as they please with him.

Doesn't Maradona work out there? Maybe there is a deal to be done? :-)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

IMO the PFA are correct, I was suprised to see the club were trying to fine him 4 weeks wages when the maximum is 2 weeks....city should have had several seperate hearings for the offenses and fined him 2 weeks for each...to run concurrently...

Despite all the hysteria the PFA, like it or not, has rules that have been agreed with the clubs. Only in exceptional circumstances can a fine greater than 2 weeks wages be imposed (which needs PFA sanction) and they are arguing that these are not exceptional circumstances. I think that City haven't been clear enough about what exactly Tevez has or hasn't done, which has hindered their cause. The PFA have represented Tevez in this so have been privy to all the evidence.

At the end of the day, what does it matter? 2 weeks, 4 weeks 6 weeks, whatever. We know there's no way back for him and the size of the fine makes no difference in the overall scheme of things.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

I was disgusted by that weasel Taylor. instead of just giving the facts he tried to justify Tevez' actions and then said that he was only there to state the legal position. I think that the club fined Tevez based on a serious misconduct charge (ie refusing to play) but realised that the consequence would be releasing him. better to leave the twat in the stiffs for the next three years IMHO

 

[york away to this!]

it's the tone of taylor's comments that stick in my throat. Perhaps the PFA are duty bound to support players, perhaps they do so sometimes through gritted teeth, though it's the drone of taylor in that kind of "nah, nanny nah nahhhhh..... we're right and yourrrr wronnnnnnnnng" way that makes we want to throttle the little wanker. Can we sue the PFA for immoral behaviour in blatantly supporting the unsupportable liar?

 

[BillCarlisle]

It's all balls. He refused to play, eveybody at the club knows he refused to play. Tevez said he refused to play.

None of the other players on the bench who were there wanted to get involved and give evidence against a teammate hence the "your word against mine" scenario and the charge being lessened so one they could prove.

There's no way all those lads on the bench had faces like that because of a tiff over warming up.

What happened down there that night was serious.

The PFA can fuck off. How can refusing to warm up and risk serious injury and possibly a monumental cost to your employer not be seen as serious enough to go beyond the standard fine you get for coming in 5 mins past a fucking curfew.

It stinks.

We should form a breakaway league. With just us. We can watch our first team v our second team every fucking week and it will still be better than most of the shit in Europe ;-)

It's possible that the PFA instructed all City's players to remain as tight lipped as possible and non-committal. Hence the lack of clear evidence. We all heard the (interpreted) after match comments from Tevez saying that he wouldn't go on, but it seems that's not been strong enough for City's case. The bottom line is that the PFA have only done what they are supposed to do - look after one of their Members.

Whatever the outcome, the whole football world knows that he was in the wrong.

Unless City are somehow able get good money for him then I can see only one winner now - the player. He'll get the move he's been after, and most likely at a reduced fee. The only way he'll lose is if City make him see out his contract without playing. Unfortunately of course the Club will also lose out financially. Maybe the Sheikh is so pissed off with Tevez that he's prepared to do that as matter of principle. Trouble is that if that happens the Club will be affected by FFPR .

It's all becoming messier by the day.

 

[Anonymous]

Forgot to add to my post:

1) great post from JMA too

2) all this talk of an email from Taylor to posters on here - anyone still got a copy? Should be released to the press a la Onouha.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Re: PFA Back Tevez

I was disgusted by that weasel Taylor. instead of just giving the facts he tried to justify Tevez' actions and then said that he was only there to state the legal position. I think that the club fined Tevez based on a serious misconduct charge (ie refusing to play) but realised that the consequence would be releasing him. better to leave the twat in the stiffs for the next three years IMHO

But Taylor is saying he wasn't charged with refusing to play hence his refusal to agree to the higher fine. So was he or wasn't he? That's why I think City have shot themselves in the foot a bit.