PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Chappie]

What is the media saying about the bottles thrown at KDB and what type of fine will arsenal get ?

I'm really struggling with the idea that expert opinion evidence would be enough for the PL to succeed on those charges. EG, you put all the papers in the case in front of Deloittes (say) and they say "look at this , this and this, BDO got conned." But BDO say "no we didn't" and E & Y say "we agree with BDO". How can you possibly say the accounts aren't true and fair when two leading firms of accountants say in their opinion that they are? You would be saying that City and Etihad weren't entitled to rely on their own auditors, which is plainly nonsense.

It seems to me these charges needs direct evidence of collusion. I can't see how the PL make a charge of deliberate falsification of the accounts stick unless they have evidence from someone on the inside saying "I know the accounts say X but what actually happened was Y."

That isn't going to happen on the basis of the Der Spiegel emails, so unless the PL have something we don't know about, I'm baffled about why they have made such absolutely devastating accusations with the square root of fuck all to justify them.

Pressure from a few of there members, maybe a good place to start with.

 

[Shads]

You make a good point. The narrative is set if you say things often enough regardless of what the truth is. The CAS judgment remains a trove of positive and negative detail of the case, City's defence and the result. It is very illuminating especially in respect of City's own submissions against the severe allegations made there but people don't seem to take the time to actually read it.

Understandable though. As City fans and for those of us in the legal field we have a clear Interest In reading it. Most fans of other clubs will not. Let’s face it most of the fans in here relied on us lawyers to read digest and break it down for them. The media will only take whatever out of context quotes suit their agenda, it is likely the only parts of the CAS judgment most fans know about is therefore what the media reports. It will be no different here.

 

[Dribble]

im not brilliant with tech, but if you had 5 million emails on your data base ,if you typed in the words manchester city in your search tool that would bring up the emails you were looking at, someone has got hold of the guy that hacked all those things and asked him to search for our emails, hes been put up to it, and it wouldn't surprise me if he got paid to do it, be nice in his trial if it came out

The other crucial point is whether Pinto was a Robin Hood whistle-blower, or merely a hacker & thief who sold his ill-gotten gains on.

Did Pinto REALLY hack City because he could?

Did Pinto hack City because he was truly concerned about our criminality? If so, why?

OR, did he do it purely for monetary gain? If so, did he hack City to sell-on the data, or was he engaged by a third party to get dirt on City?

 

[wolviedinho]

I'm really struggling with the idea that expert opinion evidence would be enough for the PL to succeed on those charges. EG, you put all the papers in the case in front of Deloittes (say) and they say "look at this , this and this, BDO got conned." But BDO say "no we didn't" and E & Y say "we agree with BDO". How can you possibly say the accounts aren't true and fair when two leading firms of accountants say in their opinion that they are? You would be saying that City and Etihad weren't entitled to rely on their own auditors, which is plainly nonsense.

It seems to me these charges needs direct evidence of collusion. I can't see how the PL make a charge of deliberate falsification of the accounts stick unless they have evidence from someone on the inside saying "I know the accounts say X but what actually happened was Y."

That isn't going to happen on the basis of the Der Spiegel emails, so unless the PL have something we don't know about, I'm baffled about why they have made such absolutely devastating accusations with the square root of fuck all to justify them.

Uefa came after us with a stolen email and packet of pork scratchings. It’s never been about the financial statements. It’s not possible to prove owner disguised investment so instead they go for maximum reputational damage.

 

[Chris in London]

Pressure from a few of there members, maybe a good place to start with.

I'm sure, but even so, making incredibly serious charges that you are almost certain to lose is bizarre behaviour even if the redshirts are baying for it.

 

[Chris in London]

Uefa came after us with a stolen email and packet of pork scratchings. It’s never been about the financial statements. It’s not possible to prove owner disguised investment so instead they go for maximum reputational damage.

The accusations the PL are making are massively more serious than the accusations UEFA made.

Making incredibly serious allegations they are highly unlikely to prove is more likely to backfire

 

[wolviedinho]

The accusations the PL are making are massively more serious than the accusations UEFA made.

Making incredibly serious allegations they are highly unlikely to prove is more likely to backfire

Will it backfire? Nothing will come of it apart from Gary Neville telling us we need a regulator and Sky reporting we got off due to lack of evidence.

It should be treated as a very serious matter and in any other profession it would be. However, this is football and the cartel league.

The smoking gun, would it need to be disclosed before the tribunal begins? Or is that only in an actual real court case and not this pantomime?

 

[SilverFox2]

I‘ve heard latest AI software that can sing or speak with whatever you program it to do but it’s far from mimicking real human voice. This the most extreme you can go atm . Also logically there’ll be a night and day difference in background noise unless both parties are at the same room and space. You can easily see that in oscilloscope .

Aside from the recording and it's content I have to say that voice recognition is used as ultimate confirmation of a person's logon by one of the High Street Banks. Not sure if it is Natwest or Halifax.

 

[dario2739]

I'm really struggling with the idea that expert opinion evidence would be enough for the PL to succeed on those charges. EG, you put all the papers in the case in front of Deloittes (say) and they say "look at this , this and this, BDO got conned." But BDO say "no we didn't" and E & Y say "we agree with BDO". How can you possibly say the accounts aren't true and fair when two leading firms of accountants say in their opinion that they are? You would be saying that City and Etihad weren't entitled to rely on their own auditors, which is plainly nonsense.

It seems to me these charges needs direct evidence of collusion. I can't see how the PL make a charge of deliberate falsification of the accounts stick unless they have evidence from someone on the inside saying "I know the accounts say X but what actually happened was Y."

That isn't going to happen on the basis of the Der Spiegel emails, so unless the PL have something we don't know about, I'm baffled about why they have made such absolutely devastating accusations with the square root of fuck all to justify them.

To me - this carries a bigger implication... that being that if City had done this, and the PL haven't spotted it... who's to say that other clubs haven't done it too... for me, every other club should now have to be investigated in the same manner.

 

[dadnlad]

cockfosters station after last nights game there was a bunch of city fans singing and joyful one song we'll cheat when we want to lots of laughter some arsenal fans started shouting comments to which another arsenal fan shut them up and said city just doing what every club even we have done and good luck to them,he was met with little muttering but most agreed with him