PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the 'lower' clubs in the pl voted for FFP. They were voting to stop themselves from ever being top dog. It's bizarre that they voted that way. They signed themselves to just being mid table with no ambition to improve.
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Because it gave owners an excuse not to put their hands in their pockets but retain control.
 
give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the 'lower' clubs in the pl voted for FFP. They were voting to stop themselves from ever being top dog. It's bizarre that they voted that way. They signed themselves to just being mid table with no ambition to improve.
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It’s the ever present threat of the ‘traditional clubs’ taking the ball away. These so called smaller clubs are now wealthier than they could ever imagine. The only reason for that is the collective bargaining power of the PL. Now, if an imaginary cabal of, let’s say, American owners make it clear that without support for what they want, they’ll start to talk about doing splitting the pie somewhat less equitably, or doing their own tv deals or, the nuclear option of a European Super League.
So, it’s either voting out of survival or, likely in Everton’s case, believing or being persuaded, that you’re part of the ‘club’ and you belong. If it’s in the interests of the red-shirts, it’s in your interest.
You have to remember that they virtually did that to form the PL in the first place (with Everton at the forefront……)
 
Sk@mcfc said:
Just received from fellow blue anyone else listen to it ?
Listening to Cheesamans last night ,Forever Blue, he had a guest Mike McClean,
He said he has inside knowledge than City's barristers have a recording whereby the Premier league board members quoted " We cannot have Man City winning the league for a forth time on the trot"
He quotes the Premier League board are totally corrupt !!
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anyone found this being said?
 
Paladin said:
The commission isn't set up to find us guilty of fraud. We only stand accused of breaking PL rules. That's the only thing commission will look at.
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Yes, however if we are found guilty of breaking the rules they are accusing the club of systematic fraud by false accounting it amounts to the same thing, and it’s such a serious accusation that would potentially lead to criminal charges I would suspect that anyone levelling it would have enough evidence to make it stand up in a criminal court, it’s serious stuff this and I wouldn’t want to be the person to make that decision it could have catastrophic consequences for both parties in this

As an aside all this because the cartel clubs object to outside oversight, I mean they’ve nothing to hide have they?
 
Paladin said:
The commission isn't set up to find us guilty of fraud. We only stand accused of breaking PL rules. That's the only thing commission will look at.
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And if we have broken one of their rules,there has to be a reason,why we have.
If the charges are proven in this case,it can only be through fraud.
Which ever way,you try to dress it up, the only thing they are implying is that we have falsified accounts.
The non cooperation charge is a red herring and is only there to punish us with, if all else fails .
 
give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the 'lower' clubs in the pl voted for FFP. They were voting to stop themselves from ever being top dog. It's bizarre that they voted that way. They signed themselves to just being mid table with no ambition to improve.
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At some point years ago we'd have been happy with that
Just to stop turmoil
 
give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the 'lower' clubs in the pl voted for FFP. They were voting to stop themselves from ever being top dog. It's bizarre that they voted that way. They signed themselves to just being mid table with no ambition to improve.
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Helps reduce what they can spend as they trouser all the TV monies.

With the average Burnley etc fan having zero idea of FFP or financial things, just a few words and the fans are right behind the club leaving the owners to make a fortune.
 
give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the 'lower' clubs in the pl voted for FFP. They were voting to stop themselves from ever being top dog. It's bizarre that they voted that way. They signed themselves to just being mid table with no ambition to improve.
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I think its because you can't have 20 multi billionaires all winning! The race is just unsustainable. When i was a kid and Liverpool were buying their success..Ray Kennedy best young prospect from Arsenal, Souness, Dalglish best Celtic striker..not cheap then etc... we couldnt really compete.. when we went all out we had a shit recruitment strategy anyway..Steve Daley! Nearly 1.4m from memory
 
give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the 'lower' clubs in the pl voted for FFP. They were voting to stop themselves from ever being top dog. It's bizarre that they voted that way. They signed themselves to just being mid table with no ambition to improve.
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Being a lower Prem club gets you a lot more money than being a Championship club. They will have been wanting to make it harder for themselves to be overtaken. Self-preservation I guess.

I also wonder if some owners may have been swayed in their vote by promises or agreements made by other owners. I'm sure the American owners will have been working the crowd and politicking, while I'm not sure we had the friends and influence at that time.
 
mattcity5 said:
Being a lower Prem club gets you a lot more money than being a Championship club. They will have been wanting to make it harder for themselves to be overtaken. Self-preservation I guess.

I also wonder if some owners may have been swayed in their vote by promises or agreements made by other owners. I'm sure the American owners will have been working the crowd and politicking, while I'm not sure we had the friends and influence at that time.
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Obviously the red cunts will have lobbied & put the fear of god whilst giving them promises of riches.
 
Tolmie scores said:
I think its because you can't have 20 multi billionaires all winning! The race is just unsustainable. When i was a kid and Liverpool were buying their success..Ray Kennedy best young prospect from Arsenal, Souness, Dalglish best Celtic striker..not cheap then etc... we couldnt really compete.. when we went all out we had a shit recruitment strategy anyway..Steve Daley! Nearly 1.4m from memory
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I've spent decades trying forget that - thanks!!
 
Sk@mcfc said:
Just received from fellow blue anyone else listen to it ?
Listening to Cheesamans last night ,Forever Blue, he had a guest Mike McClean,
He said he has inside knowledge than City's barristers have a recording whereby the Premier league board members quoted " We cannot have Man City winning the league for a forth time on the trot"
He quotes the Premier League board are totally corrupt !!
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That tale has been around for some time. I doubt whether it is true. Barristers would not tell an outsider even if it was.
 
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give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the 'lower' clubs in the pl voted for FFP. They were voting to stop themselves from ever being top dog. It's bizarre that they voted that way. They signed themselves to just being mid table with no ambition to improve.
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There's another angle to that. It gave the owners of those clubs at the time an excuse not to spend big money on players. They were thinking of themselves and the here and now, and not about the future when other owners had bought them out who may have had more ambition than them.

With Reading bizarrely abstaining, just one more vote the other way would have been enough for it not to be brought in. A Kenwright-led Everton voted for it and now Everton find themselves with a 10 point deduction for breaching the very same rules that their former chairman voted in favour of.
 
Dear Mr Burnham,
I accept you are a season ticket holder at Everton and are upset about the way your club has been treated. However, let me remind you, in case you have forgotten, what geographical area you are in charge of. Manchester City F.C. is in Manchester, the name is a big clue. The owners have put millions into your City and changed a chemical waste land into a vibrant area and yet they are, to use local terminology, getting the shit kicked out of them by the Premier League. Is it at all possible that for once you could represent people and businesses in Manchester. Just once isn't a lot to ask and then you can go back to moaning about how badly your own club is being fucked over.

Yours Blue Mist.

P.S. Why didn't you run for the Mayor of Liverpool job because you do fuck all for us.
 
M18CTID said:
There's another angle to that. It gave the owners of those clubs at the time an excuse not to spend big money on players. They were thinking of themselves and the here and now, and not about the future when other owners had bought them out who may have had more ambition than them.

With Reading bizarrely abstaining, just one more vote the other way would have been enough for it not to be brought in. A Kenwright-led Everton voted for it and now Everton find themselves with a 10 point deduction for breaching the very same rules that their former chairman voted in favour of.
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If you were an owner of a club settled into the PL you'd have voted for it on the basis it would help ensure new money didn't bring rivals in that could lead you to have to spend more to compete. You could also ensure you didn't have to spend too much money from your own pocket on new players and give fans the "FFP doesn't allow us" excuse. Owners like consistent profits coming in, and FFP was great to keep the established clubs in the league and stifle others.
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
Looks like the gvmt will approach AD on investment on Sizewell C and reports that the Redbird (AD) purchase of the Torygraph will definitely be resisted seem a bit wide of the mark. Reads to me like old school Tories agitating as they might lose their unhealthy alliance with a mainstream paper.

Leave here without comment other than to state the obvious that the UK is desperate for new and overseas investment. Make your own connections and conclusions. I believe that it remains relevant to this thread.

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The big picture is always relevant.
 
M18CTID said:
There's another angle to that. It gave the owners of those clubs at the time an excuse not to spend big money on players. They were thinking of themselves and the here and now, and not about the future when other owners had bought them out who may have had more ambition than them.

With Reading bizarrely abstaining, just one more vote the other way would have been enough for it not to be brought in. A Kenwright-led Everton voted for it and now Everton find themselves with a 10 point deduction for breaching the very same rules that their former chairman voted in favour of.
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And Reading are in a complete mess too now.
 
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