PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Centurions said:
What TS actually mean is that we should have just immediately put our hands up and said "it's a fair cop guv", they're not happy that we're fighting our corner and "dragging it out" (or defending ourselves as it's also known).
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What ts are implying is that we got away with it at CAS due to time barred evidence, not cooperativing with uefa & they want the braindead unwashed to think the same with the premier league
 
Cobwebcat said:
There is an opinion (TS springs to mind) that City will draw this out as long as possible. I don’t understand what we would to gain by doing that. Any ideas?
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I don't think that City will have a strategy of purposefully drawing out the process just for the sake of drawing it out. Delay isn't good for the club now we have actually been charged, because - to state the obvious - it's bad to have the charges hanging over us, with the media and twitterverse making hay with asterisks, "115!!!!!", and all the no smoke without fire nonsense. This is not a good thing commercially, for attracting players, for attracting fans, and all that.

However, to again state the obvious, the charges are incredibly serious both for the club and the individuals concerned. They are existential for the club in its modern form, really. It does get a bit lost in the media at times that the PL have accused the club of wholesale fraud over a decade or more. So the club will be exploring every avenue and taking every possible point to defend themselves. That will obviously involve denying the charges but it will also involve criticising the process, arguing about limitation, disclosure, evidence, etc, etc. And the effect of that will be to tend to lengthen the process for resolution.


There seems to be a view in football in the media - it's either incredibly naive, or dishonest and in bad faith - that if City are innocent they should "just" open their books up and have nothing to fear. This is about as stupid as comments get really. No one accused of what City have been accused of (incredibly serious fraud and conspiracy) would do this. The charges are simply too serious. And here's the thing - if you genuinely believe you are innocent, which I'm sure City do - then the level of outrage and disgust will be high and you will feel no compunction about arguing every point and taking issue with everything the PL say, because in your mind they are making baseless allegations of dishonesty. As a claimant in a fraud case, you have to accept and expect that when you make that allegation, the gloves are off, to use an analogy. And by the way, the idiots saying this kind of thing would take a very different approach if they were themselves accused of say a serious crime. They'd want their lawyer taking any procedural point they could do in order to get off.

On top of this the complexity of the case means it will take a long time to resolve just in and of itself.

So no strategy of lengthening the process in and of itself IMO, but a strategy that will tend to have the effect of lengthening the process as a by product. Hope that helps.
 
Braggster said:
I don't think that City will have a strategy of purposefully drawing out the process just for the sake of drawing it out. Delay isn't good for the club now we have actually been charged, because - to state the obvious - it's bad to have the charges hanging over us, with the media and twitterverse making hay with asterisks, "115!!!!!", and all the no smoke without fire nonsense. This is not a good thing commercially, for attracting players, for attracting fans, and all that.

However, to again state the obvious, the charges are incredibly serious both for the club and the individuals concerned. They are existential for the club in its modern form, really. It does get a bit lost in the media at times that the PL have accused the club of wholesale fraud over a decade or more. So the club will be exploring every avenue and taking every possible point to defend themselves. That will obviously involve denying the charges but it will also involve criticising the process, arguing about limitation, disclosure, evidence, etc, etc. And the effect of that will be to tend to lengthen the process for resolution.


There seems to be a view in football in the media - it's either incredibly naive, or dishonest and in bad faith - that if City are innocent they should "just" open their books up and have nothing to fear. This is about as stupid as comments get really. No one accused of what City have been accused of (incredibly serious fraud and conspiracy) would do this. The charges are simply too serious. And here's the thing - if you genuinely believe you are innocent, which I'm sure City do - then the level of outrage and disgust will be high and you will feel no compunction about arguing every point and taking issue with everything the PL say, because in your mind they are making baseless allegations of dishonesty. As a claimant in a fraud case, you have to accept and expect that when you make that allegation, the gloves are off, to use an analogy. And by the way, the idiots saying this kind of thing would take a very different approach if they were themselves accused of say a serious crime. They'd want their lawyer taking any procedural point they could do in order to get off.

On top of this the complexity of the case means it will take a long time to resolve just in and of itself.

So no strategy of lengthening the process in and of itself IMO, but a strategy that will tend to have the effect of lengthening the process as a by product. Hope that helps.
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Also we believe they have all they need normally they just need to books now they want everything it seems but our books are in our mind accurate Prem might disagree. Also it sensitive commercial information we wouldn’t want other clubs etc having
 
Braggster said:
I don't think that City will have a strategy of purposefully drawing out the process just for the sake of drawing it out. Delay isn't good for the club now we have actually been charged, because - to state the obvious - it's bad to have the charges hanging over us, with the media and twitterverse making hay with asterisks, "115!!!!!", and all the no smoke without fire nonsense. This is not a good thing commercially, for attracting players, for attracting fans, and all that.

However, to again state the obvious, the charges are incredibly serious both for the club and the individuals concerned. They are existential for the club in its modern form, really. It does get a bit lost in the media at times that the PL have accused the club of wholesale fraud over a decade or more. So the club will be exploring every avenue and taking every possible point to defend themselves. That will obviously involve denying the charges but it will also involve criticising the process, arguing about limitation, disclosure, evidence, etc, etc. And the effect of that will be to tend to lengthen the process for resolution.


There seems to be a view in football in the media - it's either incredibly naive, or dishonest and in bad faith - that if City are innocent they should "just" open their books up and have nothing to fear. This is about as stupid as comments get really. No one accused of what City have been accused of (incredibly serious fraud and conspiracy) would do this. The charges are simply too serious. And here's the thing - if you genuinely believe you are innocent, which I'm sure City do - then the level of outrage and disgust will be high and you will feel no compunction about arguing every point and taking issue with everything the PL say, because in your mind they are making baseless allegations of dishonesty. As a claimant in a fraud case, you have to accept and expect that when you make that allegation, the gloves are off, to use an analogy. And by the way, the idiots saying this kind of thing would take a very different approach if they were themselves accused of say a serious crime. They'd want their lawyer taking any procedural point they could do in order to get off.

On top of this the complexity of the case means it will take a long time to resolve just in and of itself.

So no strategy of lengthening the process in and of itself IMO, but a strategy that will tend to have the effect of lengthening the process as a by product. Hope that helps.
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That's what the braindead don't understand, our books are audited every year & it supposedly took the Premier league 10 years to uncover the fraud they are accusing City of. Even the Etisat deal the guardian reported on several years ago.
 
WRicko said:
Also we believe they have all they need normally they just need to books now they want everything it seems but our books are in our mind accurate Prem might disagree. Also it sensitive commercial information we wouldn’t want other clubs etc having
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Isnt it odd that nobody is screaming for the Premier league to clarify what we are accused of or what evidence they have.
 
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