PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

There will be all sorts of guesses at this but how long do you think the hearing will take once it actually sits?

The PL team will have to present their evidence on a huge number of individual charges and then ours will offer our defence on each of them. The non cooperation charges could probably be dealt with as one but none of the others. You'd imagine there will be additional points coming up all the time for the panel to address and there is the question of will it sit all day, every day until it's over (I highly doubt that). My guess would be at least a month for the hearing and then deliberations would take time after that.
There will be all sorts of guesses at this but how long do you think the hearing will take once it actually sits?

The PL team will have to present their evidence on a huge number of individual charges and then ours will offer our defence on each of them. The non cooperation charges could probably be dealt with as one but none of the others. You'd imagine there will be additional points coming up all the time for the panel to address and there is the question of will it sit all day, every day until it's over (I highly doubt that). My guess would be at least a month for the hearing and then deliberations would take time after that.
It will take a lot longer than that. How long did the arms to Iraq inquiry take before fizzling out?
 
The media narrative now being peddled for simple minds.

Everton were deducted 10 points for one breach even though they co-operated with the PL.

Manchester City face 115 charges and fail to co-operate and admit their guilt so should be punished accordingly.

No mention that Everton admitted their breach with the evidence in the public domain through their published accounts. We have seen no such hard evidence against City yet 115 charges are being pushed as uncontroversial and the possibility of them not being proven is incomprehensible.

How dare City challenge what are very serious charges and claim to have irrefutable evidence to disprove them? Punishment needs to be delivered without further delay. The only way City conceivably can get off is by delaying further through the use of expensive lawyers and exploiting loopholes and technicalities. In spite of being cleared by UEFA of similar charges, the possibilty that the charges cannot be proven and the consequences of the reputational damage done to the PL as well as City, does not feature in the narrative.
 
It will take a lot longer than that. How long did the arms to Iraq inquiry take before fizzling out?
That's comparing apples and oranges.

Our case needs to be resolved one way or another whereas pointless, after the event inquiries such as the one you reference are just window dressing. It can't just be parked whilst it meanders along for years until everyone has forgotten about it.
 
Listen to that times podcast with MS on it and he pointed out that that spurs dodgy deal for Defoe got them in the champs league and city could argue that if we got that champs league spot our finances would been better and Uefa failing wouldn't of happened! Everything now has led to where we are now!

I listened to that earlier.
Martin Samuel in fine form and not diverging in any way from his position 10+ years ago.
Great listen.

Link here if not already posted:

 
Saw a KC quoted saying it could be 2/4 years away (decision).

No idea if he’s right but if they rush it thru quicker, that might work in our favour!!
 
If PL wants to strip titles, which might befall on the decades-long effort, goodwill and charity of the Abu Dhabi United Group, of which its subsidiary is the City Football Group that has invested for the greater global good.

I wonder if, given the culture of Emiratis as a very philanthropic community, the 14 billion quid invested by UAE for UK on the advancement of future and clean technologies, they might reconsider investing - given that the pedanticism by PL on City, allegedly until proven beyond reasonable doubt, on the Mancini contract, as if the CFG is avoiding administration.
 
Just going back to the Mancini contract. Many of us - me included - have said that it makes no sense to do what we've been accused of and pay him off the books to make our figures look better as we were posting eye-watering losses at the time anyway, not to mention that the "arrangement" commenced before FFP was even a thing, so a couple of million extra a year on our books wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference.

Anyway, I've been thinking about it over the past couple of days and while my above stance hasn't changed one explanation I have considered is that it wasn't done for our own benefit with the intention to deliberately mislead the PL (as there was no need to) and instead it was done to suit Mancini as perhaps he didn't want to pay full UK tax. I'm presuming the income tax rate for his Al Jazira job was lower than it was for his City role? So give him 2 jobs - one in the UK and one in the UAE and split his wages between the two perhaps? Surely this is only really a matter for HMRC and even then I would guess it comes under tax avoidance rather than tax evasion, but even then would they really want to go there if Mancini confirms that he fulfilled his role with Al Jazira? Seriously, I don't think HMRC would even be interested, so it stands to reason as to why the PL should be. Whatever's gone on, it's fuck-all in the grand scheme of things and certainly not worthy of a points deduction/relegation/liquidation.

A side issue to this is that his initial wage at City was quite low and we're being called out for that, yet ironically it's normally the opposite as we're forever getting accused of over-paying players!

Yes, likely the original intention was helping Mancini with offshore funds for tax reasons and obviously nothing to do with FFP.

If you read the documents though you will see that it ended up with him billing us for his tax liability in Italy. We paid.

Almost certainly HMRC would have discussed this with us as some point. They were all over every club for a variety of reasons and have since reclaimed c£750m I think form loads of clubs. Point is this isn't an HMRC issue.
 

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